NIBIRU (TYCHE) PLANET X Admitted by Scientists – NASA shuts down Space Telescope ‘WISE’!!

You know how you sometimes can sense that something is present even though you can’t see it? Well, astronomers are getting that feeling about a giant, hidden object in space.

And when we say giant, we mean GIANT.

They’ve found the largest planet ‘IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM’!. It orbits our Sun in a far elliptical orbit, and is said to be 4x’s the size of Jupiter! It has a helium and hydrogen atmosphere. It’s most likely to have moons! This planet fits the exact description of Planet X!

So, one must ask, why are they suddenly telling us now? Scientists have known about this planet since 1983 ( Read article below) and they’ve been using WISE and IRAS to monitor it. Does this mean it will be visible this year? I’m thinking so. They have no choice but to tell us as it will viewable to everyone w/o a telescope this year. And why are they not calling this planet by its real name? Nibiru? Planet X? Well, that would mean that all of us so called “conspiracy theorist’s” and our ancient ancestors, were right all along!

NASA WISE Telescope shows a Giant Planet next to the Solar System. February 13, 2011. NASA confirms that is tracking Hercolubus, at the moment scientists call it as Tyche. The NASA Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) telescope is showing a giant planet next to the Solar System. Tyche (Hercolubus) is 4 times bigger than Jupiter and orbit at the outer edge of the Solar System.Scientists are just analyzing the data gathered by a NASA space telescope WISE, it shows a giant planet up to four times the mass of Jupiter lurking in the outer Oort Cloud, the most remote region of the solar system. The orbit of Tyche (Hercolubus) would be 15,000 times farther from the Sun than the Earth’s, and 375 times farther than Pluto’s.

The first tranche of data is to be released in April, and astrophysicists John Matese and Daniel Whitmire from the University of Louisiana at Lafayette think it will reveal Tyche (Hercolubus) within two years.

This means that NASA considers impossible to cover-up the Hercolubus approaching in two years.

Once Tyche (Hercolubus) has been located, other telescopes could be pointed at it to confirm it.

The International Astronomical Union (IAU) may create a whole new category for Tyche, Professor Matese said.

The IAU would also have the final say about the giant planet name. To the Greeks, Tyche was the goddess responsible for the destiny of cities. Her name was provisionally chosen in reference to an earlier hypothesis, now largely abandoned, that the Sun might be part of a binary star system with a dim companion, tentatively called Nemesis, that was thought responsible for mass extinctions on Earth. In myth, Tyche was the good sister of Nemesis.

Tyche (Hercolubus) has an atmosphere much like Jupiter’s, with colorful spots and bands and clouds, Professor Whitmire said. “You’d also expect it to have moons. All the outer planets have them,” he added.

What will make it stand out in the WISE data is its temperature, predicted to be around -73C, four or five times warmer than Pluto. “The heat is left over from its formation,” Professor Whitmire said. “It takes an object this size a long time to cool off.”

Most of the billions of objects in the Oort Cloud — a sphere one light year in radius stretching a quarter of the distance to Alpha Centauri, the brightest star in the southern constellation — are lumps of dirty ice at temperatures much closer to absolute zero (-273C).

A few of these are dislodged from their orbits by the galactic tide — the combined gravitational pull from the billions of stars towards the centre of the Milky Way — and start the long fall into the inner solar system.

As these long-period comets get closer to the Sun, some of the ice boils off, forming the characteristic tails that make them visible.

Professors Matese and Whitmire first proposed the existence of Tyche (Hercolubus) to explain why many of these long-period comets were coming from the wrong direction. In their latest paper, published in the February issue of Icarus, the international journal of solar system studies, they report that more than 20 per cent too many of the long-period comets observed since 1898 arrive from a band circling the sky at a higher angle than predicted by the galactic-tide theory.

No other proposal has been put forward to explain this anomaly since it was first suggested 12 years ago.

In short: NASA and scientists are going to inform about the Hercolubus approaching in the short term, because it will be impossible to hide for more time.

http://planetx-hercolubus-nibiru.blog…

(This story was pulled in December 1983)…
1983 Washington Post “Front Page” Story -
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered
a front page story 31-Dec-1983

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite. So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby “protostar” that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through. “All I can tell you is that we don’t know what it is,” Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology said in an interview.
The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous planet, as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 billion miles. While that may seem like a great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone’s throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto. “If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system,” said Dr. James Houck of Cornell University’s Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the IRAS science team. “If it is that close, I don’t know how the world’s planetary scientists would even begin to classify it.”

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time. “This suggests it’s not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we’ve observed and a comet would probably have moved,” Houck said. “A planet may have moved if it were as close as 50 billion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have moved in six months time.

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40 degrees above “absolute” zero, which is 459 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can “see” objects in the heavens that are only 20 degrees above absolute zero. When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as 50 billion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth. “It’s not incoming mail,” Cal Tech’s Neugebauer said. “I want to douse that idea with as much cold water as I can.”

Planet X Nibiru Tyche. The video below is a simulation based on research of brown dwarf stars spawned by a heavy interest in A possible galactic neighbor closer to us than we might already know. My opinion on this is if Planet X , Nibiru, Tyche or whatever is that if it is found it will be closer to us than proxima centauri and on a friendly orbit.

This video is a ballpark estimate of what one of these T class brown dwarf stars might hold as far as planets go using Jupiter as a comparison. I tried my best to keep accurate with distances , tidally locking being most moons are tidally locked .

The Atmospheres on these planets with tidally locking was a fun assumption being there really isnt a good example of a tidally locked moon (except blurry TITAN) with an atmosphere that isnt frozen.

Planet 1 is a burnt rock , Planet 2 is a semi frozen ball of nitrogen carbon etc. losing it’s atmosphere. Planet 3 is a thermal dynamic heavy steamy atmosphere on the lit side a, ice cap on the other and the middle rain and a 100 atmosphere earth like atmosphere at the surface if you can handle the pressure. Planet 4 is most earth like but with a very heavy atmosphere as well and it’s not 100% tidally locked due to planet 3’s tugging influence.
Planet 5 at the end is a metaphor for the corporate matrix we call planet earth

Sources News Links and authors:

Feb 17th, 2011 – Space.com: NASA Shuts Down Prolific Sky-Mapping Space Telescope (WISE)

http://www.space.com/10895-nasa-wise-…

Febr 17th, 2011 – Planet X? NASA shuts down space telescope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWaufP…

Febr 14th, 2011 –  Dailymail: Largest planet in the solar sytem could be about to discovered and it’s up to four times the size of jupiter http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetec…

Febr 15th, 2011 – CNN hints at Nibiru’s Existence
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/15/…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6euu…

Febr 15th, 2011 – CBS NEWS Link: NASA discovers new planet in our solar sytem – Nibiru (hercolubes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJXVlc…

Previous News:
03/11/2010 –  Astrobio.net: Getting WISE About Nemesis
http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/342…

04/09/2010 – Sciencedaily: Planet-Like Object Found Circling a Brown Dwarf
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/…

04/07/2010 – Discoverynews:  Rogue brown dwarf lurks in our cosmic neighborhood
http://news.discovery.com/space/rogue…

12/01/2010 Record-breaking Cold Brown Dwarf is Found Out
http://scienceray.com/astronomy/recor…

Sources and authors: jcatteratraitorsbewaremfromcanada1mcplanetearth (youtube)

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498 responses to “NIBIRU (TYCHE) PLANET X Admitted by Scientists – NASA shuts down Space Telescope ‘WISE’!!

  1. Interesting. Here is what bothers me. This thing has not shown movement like a comet or asteroid would do. Also they are not able to detect this object going in any direction. If that is the case it means its heading straight towards us. If it was parked at one position and since we move in orbit, we would have seen some change and determined it was us moving etc.

    I simply do not know but I do know that NASA is being deluged with lots of things to cover up and its getting next to impossible to cover it up anymore. Something has to give folks.

    You got the Sun from SOHO being watched carefully and its spotting giant UFO ships, you got all these UFO’s and sightings going on being viewed by many now on Earth, now this coming from the WISE and they shut it down.

    It would seem to me that there must be a bigger picture etc., that we have yet to be told and its getting awful close to being discovered so the pressure is building up towards the Government. If this thing is seen say sometime this year, and its verified heading towards us, we obviously got plenty to worry about and I think a lot of our questions that we have now will be answered by itself.

    Example: UFO’s why are they here? This planet is heading towards us – maybe. UFO’s warning us???? Maybe

    And so on and so forth. If this is true, and the trajectory of this planet is confirmed then the UFO’s are our only hope to be rescued before this thing smashes into us known as a planetary collision.

    If this happens EARTH gets wiped out or its saved courtesy of the UFO’s intervention.

    sheeeeeeesh.

    This can very well explain why the governments are staying mum or there will be world wide panic absolutely without any doubt.

    Things are starting to add up here and the puzzle is finally being put together.

    If anyone can add to this possible scenario please do so.

    Daveyo

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    • They haven’t actually confirmed it’s existence yet. It’s just a theory proposed in November, and will require them to review the WISE data to prove it’s existence…which is estimated to take 2 years. They suspect it, but it hasn’t been observed in data yet.

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    • Daveyo, you need help mate. You spout the most pseudo-scientific conspiracy bullfeathers I’ve ever heard.
      We can’t see stars from the polar regions? 75,000-mile-long spaceships around the sun? Good grief man, get a grip. We were cloned by aliens who are now trying to warn us of our impending dooooooom? Why don’t they just make contact, instead of playing games?
      Simple answer to all above questions? It’s all make-believe. Fairy tales. Hocus-pocus. You need to devote your energy to something more healthy than this garbage. Honestly.

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      • I agree with you, as far as devoting energies toward something more healthy. It doesn’t do any good to obsess over unknowns. But…awareness is key to our evolving consciousness, on an individual level, and as a species…that’s why we have science! I think what’s happening is that people are caught up in the 2012 scenario, and are looking for answers/guidance. The gov’t’s around the world – especially America – have done nothing to engender any kind of trust in their agenda, both private and public! I do believe it is NOT in our gov’t’s best interest to ‘evolve our awareness’, because that can go in direct opposition with their interests – which are, to keep things status quo, why? To not to tip off other countries about what they know, or don’t know, under the main auspices of keeping our citizens safe. But also to protect a way of life that works for a lot of people. It’s a pyramid of power, and no one wants to upset it. Not to mention, once you begin in a certain direction, and you go down that path for awhile, it becomes VERY hard to turn around. Meaning, if they ARE covering anything up-it goes WAY back, which would stir a pretty DEEP pot! And speaking of paths… I’m talking about a path, in general, that can lead to all sorts of things… hence, people getting caught up in the “garbage”! They really believe it to be of the utmost importance, because it has to do with ALL of our lives, as well as those to come. We are all connected by energy…and our thoughts are energy. When Edgar Cayce spoke of ‘reading’ the collective unconscious, he was speaking of all of our thoughts. For instance, when he spoke of WWII, he said (not verbatim) he was reading a large majority, of the collective hearts and minds of men, that were hell-bent on war. And that the war would happen, unless “supernatural forces” intervened. (he meant God, he was a devout Christian)Anyway-my personal opinion is that SOMETHING is going on. And whatever it is, is going to be the starting point of the beginning of a new level of consciousness. 2012 has been referred to in that sense, for many centuries… So, in that sense, it IS important to remain aware and self-educated! PLEASE read Courtney Brown’s books on Scientific Remote Viewing…he’s a former head of the social psych dept at a prestigious college…and now, because of his experience with SRV, is the founder of the Farsight Institute.

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      • Harry

        We put a grid to get the measurements of the Disc on SOHO, and from the pics taken it was measured and confirmed 75 K miles long!!!! Also we saw this same ship make a 90 degree turn inside less than 15 minutes!!!!! Courtesy of SOHO.

        I don’t have the time to argue with you cause I have so many things to do here, but believe at least that ship does exist.!!!!! Many have seen it and have no question of its authenticity.

        Have a good day

        Daveyo

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      • Harry,

        Get out of your little box buddy. Or stop trying to cover up?

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    • Daveyo,

      I think your comments are very interesting and no doubt that we are heading or they are heading to us. And if they have a Sun like star, then we must do something to spread the word so we can save ourselves as Humans!

      I read an article on how in the 16th Century there was a star Supernova that exploded and was seen for days in the sky, even in daylight!

      This could be repeating history and could be much bigger than last time and maybe our ancient astronomers were right on a predicting this sun like star approaching us or like you said heading there! If we must do something to save human race or even Aliens in those planets orbiting that star!

      Russia is building 5,000 underground shelters/bunkers now to protect themselves from any nuclear break, which is smart considering what happen to Japan. Having that many shelters can thousands of lives if not maybe million if the build them big enough!

      All I am saying, the goverment and us as the people that creates this government should unite together and makes some demands for our peace of mind.

      We might see a comet this year and we have not protection if it does strike in our cities and a nuclear reactors explode!

      Let me know what you think.

      Thanks,
      Q

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      • VARAKIENEN

        O.o …..
        Strums his fingers and stares in morbid fascination at Randalls post, wondering,,, How the Hell could Randall have missed the point of the entire thread, and of what we know about todays governmental cover ups and why.

        Randall my boy. the government has build bunkers for it self and a select few.
        They will dissapear as the shit hits the fan and wait for US to starve and kill each other decreasing the population to a more managble number for thier new world order. Then they will crawl out of thier holes and try to concquere what is left as an entirely new faction. No longer any resemblance to the governments that we once knew and thought to trust. I Absolutely Assure you this is the way its gonna play out mate.

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      • Randal, you will excuse if I ramble a bit off topic…seems to be the trend.
        The supernova you refer to was a beautiful thing to behold indeed…I won’t tell you how I know…it was a cold clear night, November 11th, (11/11) 1572, 439 years ago. Kobenhavn… I returned there and married my second wife on November 11th 1982,… and I return again for the first time since in six days…11/11/ (2011?)…cycles and synchronicities
        FYI the “star” was visible for 100 days…from November 11 until February 19th ( I warned you I would ramble)…Feb.19, the day of the first post of this thread (Daveyo) that you were responding to…I thought it was a kind of a cool synchronicity (I am easily ammused), particularly as it is my birthdate as well…as an aside, it also happens to be the precise cusp of the passing from Pisces to Aquarius…just thought I would through that in therel…
        Keep me in the loop when you figure it all out…
        Journey Well young one,
        waveform144

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    • Planet X, aka Nibiru (by ancient Sumarians), Marduk (by ancient Babylonians), and Quetzequotl by Mayans and Aztecs have recorded this planet’s crossing in the past. Do your research and homework. Scientists found out about this planet’s inbound path when pluto had a disturbance and pull on it’s rotation. As it’s getting closer, it will fulfill Bible prophecy just as it was used in Noah’s Flood to crack the fountains of the deep in Genesis. The magnetic pull it has on earth’s techtonic plates stress the planet causing earthquakes in divers places as mentioned in the Bible. If you pay attention, there are earthquakes with magnatude 6.4 ,7.3, 7.0 and increasing in magnetude all over the planet. The signs are all there. Prophecy being fulfilled as we speak.

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      • I agree…these are the end times that the Bible talks about..there has been a change in the air for years now( how you get that feeling that something isnt right)……the Bible tells us the signs ..What is to come will come.theres nothing we can do about it…it is very scary! But we need to open our hearts and souls to God and ask for forgivness and and be born again..Get our souls right with God….and spend our final days with our loved ones….Then we can be at peace with all of this,knowing that it marks the begining of our lords return…and a new world with God.

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      • In response to Mars1garden.
        Satan is our savior. God has betrayed us.
        Turn to the glory of the light bringer, the dawn star, the lore keeper, and you will be saved.
        Give your soul to satan and your salvation is assured!
        ————————–

        I was born and raised a Catholic, and stepped away from it at about the age of 17. Since thenn though I believe in a higher universal consiouseness, I no longer believe in Any form of written religeon.
        Satanic, christian or other wise.
        I dont spread MY religious views here, I dont sell god, or satan or other wise. What I do is try to keep to the science, evidence and facts of the topics when I have some thing to say about them.
        I’ll thank you to not preech here. It is as Offensive to Me as YOU may have found My opening religious staement to be to your self.
        If you open up the door to such things on this site that steer away from the real topics at hand, I can assure you will invite others whom will believe and preech thier own Frakkin feldercarb that also has nothing to do with the topic. And this site will turn quickly to garbage, while we are mired in religious arguments and debates rather than in fact Tring to find…. “The Truth Behind the Scenes.”
        ~VARAKIENEN.

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    • Daveyo, All good questions. Lets accept that there is a large additional planet. The question is what is the nature of its orbit? If it is simular to that of other planets haveing a relatively stable orbit, it won’t come zinging through the inner solar system. It will have one hell of a long year but it will stay out beyond the ort cloud. None of the planets from mercury to pluto “cross paths” as no closest point to the sun comes near the furthest point for an adjecent planet. To understand the “true orbits” spiral nature I recommend watching an explaination by Nassim Haramein at
      http://www.youtube/watch?v=NH5yK3ZN54&feature=related
      After you have done this, consider that the sun AND solar system is hauling but just under 500,000 mph around the galaxy…also in a spiral ! Each of these motions are not the result of “gravity” (not to say their are not gravitational effects) They are “Harmonic Oscillations”…a galactic symphony of sorts. You are no doubt familliar with the Mayan calendar 25,626 cycle. This is a frequency. It is no coincidence that as the sun spirals around the galaxy it crosses the galactic eliptic every 12,813 years. From S to N (arbatrary for vissualation) at a point furthest from the galactic center, and 12,813 years later, from N to S at a point closest to the galactic center. This N/S crossing is what we go through now…2012. The earth “wobbles” on its axis one full wobble every 25,626 years as well. A coincidence?…or a sympathic vibration “harmonicly”. Now and then you hear of an earthquake increasing the earths wobble…the amplitude increases, the frequency remains the same. Get your head around this and much of the “extrateresterial” questions will be seen in a new light. Most of the conventional scientific theories of gravity, speed of light, big bang, expansion…are all theoretical BS and die a slow death. Our diminsional reality (material manifestation) is a representation of long period harmonics as is true in all higher and lower dimensions. There is some over lap as a result of “sympathic vibration” and “proximity”…interdiminsional proximity being the square of the half cycle of the combined amplitude of the two “connecting” systems. This is why the systems do not “blend” but rather link at connective harmonicly atractive points…like the most positively charged object in the solar system, the sun…and the most negative charged, commets, Tyche… This is also why when objects like Elenin (-) approach the Sun (+), they often seem to expand (coma) with a major discharge of energy…dirty ice balls not able to collect charge being the exception.
      Keep an open mind and Question Everything!…All science is in the end a study of consciousness…I tell you “convential science” has no clue to how this relates to what we go through now…

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      • @waveform

        Just so you are aware, Pluto “crosses paths” with Neptune. You say observe this crossing in any model of the solar system that shows the orbits.

        It is not a coincidence that the Mayan Calendar’s cycle coincidence with the “wobble” of the Earth because the Mayan’s used the precession of the equinoxes to create the Mayan Calendar cycle of 25,626 years. In other words, the Mayans noticed this “wobble,” and using their knowledge of the stars, charted out how long it would take for the precession to complete on cycle. This turned out to be 25, 626, which the Mayans took and incorporated into their calendar.

        Also, where is the evidence stating the that Sun has a positive net charge, while comets have a negative charge? The electrical field of the Sun hasn’t been directly measured, and if it were positive, then we would have already measured it. To my knowledge, the Sun is relatively neutral in terms of electrical charge. This is charge separation within the star because it is a plasma, but this doesn’t give the Sun a net charge.

        Check the facts before you start spouting falsehoods, please.

        Peace,

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      • waveform144s16

        My bad re pluto. Should have said Mercury to Neptune but old habbits die hard. I stand corrected. “Minor planet” pluto has a very excentric orbit bringing it to within 30 au of the sun…the average orbit of neptune being 30au they do technically cross although due to the presice resonance of neptunes orbital period they will never colide. That said, the example was not to imply that a very long period object, be it planet, brown dwarf, bi-nary star or what ever could not have an extremely excentric orbit. Long period commets being an example. Another being binary stars who’s mean distance would seam to be anything but constant. Plasma theory suggests binary systems with two active (lit) stars are systems with two “like charged” masses whose repulsive action counters the atractive force of gravity. If we have a brown dwarf in a highly excentric long period orbit, it will likely have a net negative charge and could certainly have an orbit that crossed the orbits of the outer planets and possibly the orbit of inner planets as well. The EM field could cause one hell of a mess with out ever making contact with any planet. A collision isn’t necessary!
        Most investigators who are receptive to the Electric Sun Model agree that the Sun is electrically charged to a high voltage and acts as the anode in a plasma discharge. The Sun’s corona is the most visible part of that plasma. The cathode in this discharge is a virtual cathode – a surface located at a large distance from the Sun, several times the distance of the outermost planets. The entire volume from the Sun out to the cathode contains plasma. Thus the name solar plasmasphere is (ought to be) used to describe it. The outer surface of the plasmasphere is called the heliopause and is probably a plasma sheath (possibly a single or double layer (DL) of electrical charge). This layer is the virtual cathode.
        The structure of the plasma inside the solar plasmasphere is akin to the electric plasma discharge seen in a Crooke’s Tube. In the laboratory this is often in the form of a glass cylinder with an anode (high voltage electrode) at one end and a cathode (low – or reference voltage anode) at the other. The tube is filled with low-pressure gas, a voltage is applied from one electrode to the other, and an electric plasma discharge takes place inside the tube.
        This discharge can be in the dark mode, glow mode, or arc mode depending on the values of several variables, notably the strength of the electric current density that exists within the plasma.
        Unfortunately the cylindrical shape of the Crooke’s tube is quite different from the spherical shape of the plasma surrounding the Sun. There is much good literature available if you have interest.
        Good comment. Be Well…

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      • @Waveform: I’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree. After doing some research, it seems to me that the Plasma theory has many flaws. When the voltage of the Sun is able to be accurately measured, and it turns out to have a net charge, then perhaps I will entertain this theory at that point. But, I haven’t come across any such data.

        The problem with the two positive Sun that repel each other is that they don’t NEED to be positive. The motion of revolving around each other is enough to oppose the force of gravity. There is no need for an electromagnetic charge. Also, I’m surprised that of the binary systems we have discovered, no one has commented on the immense net charge two positive stars would possess. And, Plasmasphere? That just sounds ridiculous.

        The Plasma Theory also suggests that the sun may not be powered internally, but externally from electric galactic currents. So, it’s not the fusion of hydrogen? That idea seems ludicrous as well!

        All in all, I don’t believe the Plasma Theory holds any water at all. Sorry! But, again, that’s just my opinion. We don’t need electromagnetism to explain observations that gravity already fulfills. In order for this theory to be more legitimate, perhaps they could somehow reconcile the observations and properties electrodynamics and gravity.

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      • waveform144s16

        Than we shall disagree. Interesting that of the four “known” forces, gravity is far and away the weakest. The EM force, acording to the accepted “standard model” being 10 to the 39th power stronger…but the weakest is the glue that binds…Do you by chance accept that the sun…the earth…the planets…the known stars… are enveloped in magnetic fields? Any theory as to how, even theoretically, a magnetic field can exist in motion with out charge?…or the reverse???
        In scientific method “prediction” is hailed as a test of theory. In this arena the gravitational model has always failed miserably requireing one band-ade after another. Today the model has its feet planted firmly in thin air. In fairness, as a general theory it does a pretty good job of accounting everything except for 96%…which we will call dark energy/ dark matter…which neither you nor I can measure, test or quantify. The time line does somewhat better as we run it in reverse to a time when the universe was about 400,000 years old…before this we are asked to believe the “laws of physics” didn’t apply…maybe so, maybe no…once again we are left with a magical theory the beauty of which is that it cant be measured, tested, or quantified…or proven wrong!!! (or right for that matter). I must say however, I do love all the great computer graphics done by NOVA, Cosmos, and others. Very creative! I will over look the part where we are asked to believe that from a dot smaller than the head of a pin a bang so big that everything in the universe continues to this day moveing away at near the speed of light, all those H1 atoms getting thousands of miles further from eachother each second…wow…except that somehow from billions of miles apart those tiny next to zero mass hydrogen atoms are attracted to eachother…by the weakest of all known forces no less…and change directions and clump up by the quadzillions to form stars and galaxies…oh my! Talk about faith based!!!
        Agree to disagree we shall.
        Journey Well,

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      • Yes, gravity is the weakest and relatively mysterious, if an object has enough mass, then it exerts a strong gravitational field. This is a force that works on dielectric objects, thus there is no need for charge separation for gravity to occur.

        Of course the earth, sun, etc. have magnetic fields, which are due to moving charges, but this doesn’t mean that these celestial bodies have a NET charge. In the area where the magnetic field is created (which is theorized to be the revolving molten outer core), there are moving charges. However, the Earth has a whole can have a net charge that is relatively neutral. Just because one part is could be charged doesn’t mean the object has a whole is charged.

        Yes, the mainstream gravitational model sucks and is full of holes, but that doesn’t mean it is rectified by the Plasma Theory. I can a couple theories that I believe describe Gravity in a much better light, which doesn’t need to use charges and electromagnetism.

        And you are right, science does have a place for faith, especially when something can’t be proven. You are using the Big Bang to help explain, yet how can you say the Big Bang is true? Even if it were true, there is no opposing force that would prevent particles from aggregating until a star is born. Your very description of how particles could not have come together when they should be expanding is one of the fundamental issues with the Big Bang Theory, yet you use this flaw to build up your own theory.

        Think outside the box. Your Plasma Theory has many more holes than those of the Mainstream, and I honestly don’t prefer either of them. There is always a third option. Moreover, there could be an infinite number of possibilities to describe a single observation. For example, the Doppler Red shift could explain various other phenomenon besides the expansion of the universe.

        Just my thoughts,

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        Nate, The more we debate the more I like your style…and your thoughts.
        To clarify, I do not support the BBT or use it to support any theory.
        …gravity effects dielectric objects…TRUE ! …have you ever tryed to build a capacator with out a dielectric material to “separate” the charge…hhhmmm
        …moveing magnetic fields and “net charge”…True again…sort of…if ballance were ever achieved, all motion would stop and we wouldn’t get to have this debate. A very common misconception is that opposite dipoles have equal lines fo force. A gaus meter will disprove this in any magnetic field of force. You can show this as well in an electric battery by placeing a diode in the circuit…the curent flows one direction just like water runs down hill…when it has equalized the flow stops.
        …gravity sucks…I tnink this theory may have merrit…
        …and is full of holes…really black ones…
        …again, the BBT is not true nor will I rely on it for any proof…
        …charged particles, first of all are not particles at all…”charged particles”…they are charge…take away the charge and no particle…
        …plasma theory actually has very few holes…but I will get to a few before we finish…back in a moment…
        …the red shift…actually the CMB credited to E. Hubble, who by the way never excepted the “expansion theory”, has been shown to be off by +/- 10 to 3rd power for objects beyond the local group. This is like having a rubber tape measure and using it to make a mark we are pretty sure is between 5′ and 5,000′ away…and it gets worse! No clue what the data indicates when it comes to black holes, quazars, neutron stars, pulsars or any high energy object. ..and it gets worse still… Dopler refers tothe rise in pitch of a sound aproching and the lowering pitch as it recedes…the red shift being likened to the receding pitch…yes?…so anything aproaching in microvave spectrum should be blue!…odd that in all these years we are still looking for blue…
        …and possibly worse still is that the CMB date isn’t smooth…its in even steps as though the data is digital instead of analog…then there is the real kick in ths butt…worst of all is the the red shift has been explaned for more than a hundred years by electrical engineers working with plasma bulbs and can be repeted in the lab any time any where !…
        …we are back…what current plasma theory does not do at this point is “unify” a general theory of everything…no answer to questions like is there a beginning or an end…or a god…or, and here is a biggy…where in the heck did all this energy come from and where does it go when (in QM) it pops in and out of existance…what exactly is a “virtual” electron/proton/photon…when we do a double slit experiment with a photon(virtual), before we observe it at target we know it is either a virtual particle or a probability wave…which is a polite way of saying neither actually exist…and plasma theory doesn’t have a clue either…but I do…
        Keep thinking out of the box…

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    • Edward, From your comment is is clear you see the the commonality of the very small in the very large…the second principle, corespondence…”as above so below”…and the fourth as well, the principle of polarity…“Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has Its pair of opposites”…from the beginning there have seven, no more no less.
      “Live life to the fullest and take what ever knowledge you can to your next consciousness”…wise in deed and sound advice…The question is how? How do you take this knowledge into your next conscious manifestation, and remember it?
      Do you know the answer fellow traveler?

      Waveform144

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  2. I guess we will all see if humanity has the capacity to protect itself in about a year. My one question is, if this planet is about to smash into ours in about two years then what about all the other proficiency we get rammed down out throat about man in 2050 or 2100 yrs? I think we should all wait and see what is the real truth over time and not act like a bunch of fools and stir up fear but I guess that’s not what this site is about….

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  3. Well, I am quite impressed at the amount of time and research that went into this post! Seems like almost every day now there is more paradigm changing news coming at us, especially from the cosmological arena. These are interesting times we live in my friends!
    And that is putting it mildly, to say the least!

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  4. Jonathan

    I understand what you are saying and a few people like me and others have been trying to put all the pieces together here. OK.

    As I said before here is what we got and know of for certain:

    1. Seeing UFO’s all around the Globe top to bottom.
    2. Seeing Giant ships from SOHO and those ships one of them is 75,000 miles long!!!!! with a height of about 5,000 miles. We have not seen the width of this thing yet. The SOHO disc is 400,000 miles diameter. That is how the size of these ships are calculated OK.
    3. Now this report coming from WISE and several others who have mentioned quite a bit of this Planet X. Up until now NASA never confirmed officially and neither did the scientist until recently that the scientist finally spoke up and confirmed its existence and told us a little bit about it.
    4. They confirm its not a asteroid, or a comet. They ruled that part out completely. They did tell us its 4 times the size of Jupiter with only a -75C temps on the surface. Rather very warm considering its distance from the Sun. OK
    5. They also are not able to even get a path trajectory and have said so, that there is no changes going up or down or movement like asteroids or comets do. OK So I think you understand that part well. Now earth also moves in orbit around the sun. This is well known. OK.
    6. In relation to number 5 that I have described there can only be one conclusion concerning Planet X. Since we are moving and it has not changed course at all, even the slightest, it means its heading smack dab right at us on the same orbital path!!!! This however needs to be officially confirmed and that has not happened yet. Just a basic scientific acknowledgement is all we have now.
    7. I can confirm with complete authenticity that there are now 8 fixed beacon/spheres above where I am at. There was 4 up until 2 weeks ago. Now there is 8 of them. You can see it clearly on a good night with your own eyesight OK.
    8. I also can confirm positively I saw 200 plus UFO’s in Thailand on November 20th, 2010 for 6 hours straight and 4 of these ships hovered above me the entire time, emitting a reddish/orange glow.
    9. None of these UFO’s have attacked us and I don’t think they will as they have another purpose and it seems only logical that they must be warning us of some pending catastrophe and only they can assist us since its beyond human capacity.

    So basically what I am doing here is trying to put all the pieces together. Trying to at least make some sense out of all this. I am sure you would too, by doing some reading and researching other information from other sources that is reporting this and that etc. It is a puzzle that is very difficult to do without one losing their heads.

    I do believe this site is trying to maintain some sensibility with all of this going on and I hope all this does not create an illusion of something else. There are a lot of hoaxers out there and a lot of others who will do anything to try to discredit even legit information. Basically we have to separate the sheeps from the goats.

    If it all comes down to this, well I can only hope they being the UFO’s can come up with the answer to save this planet if the above information pertaining to this topic is true. I don’t think we will have to wait for long as the answer is soon to be revealed probably this year sometime depending on how things go.

    good luck OK

    Daveyo

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    • DAVEYO
      deric
      It’s planet X/nibiru not going to hit earth but will do some SERIOUS damage. Go to zetatalk.com all the info is there

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      • Zeta talk is nothing but misinformation from a group of crackpots. They have been warning of plant x and its impending “appearance” for a long time now. Even when the dates they give pass they just change them.

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  5. We all have someting to say, of how we feel about all of this. religions are also watching out for signs. It’s like all of you here say say that these scientist don’t know what is coming a head. Something scared them for them to say ,”we close telescoope “wise” down…WHY?. I believe in God, and the bible so if the bible is warning all who listen about war between good and bad and to be prepared, then we should. In time I know what will do when the event is here.

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  6. listening to all this i might aswell go hang myself now then.

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  7. the world also should have ended many times before, like 1999 for example.. what happend? nothing as we all know
    after 2012, the same guys will come up with something else for 2020 or so

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    • On this site there are many, many theories on what will happen in the years to come. I agree alot of it is fabrication and just rediculous, but *these* theories and discoveries are real mate, true the dates are not defined (and most of this hubbub has been started by the movie ‘2012’ and that movie ‘the day after tommorow’). But The things that are happening right now are real and theve never been observed before. They are numerous so i wont list them here but theres no escaping it anymore, the governments and agencies involved in holding this information from the public are failing with groups like wikileaks and other whistle blowers letting the public know the truth. Its simply a decision you have to make on whether or not you want to hear it would you rather be cattle or the farmer (would you rather remain brainwashed by the media, or take you life into your own hands). I agree that conspiracy theorists start these stupid doomsday dates, and your right that theyll probably have another one past 2012. But dont be confused as to believe the date more than the discovery, the discovery is the issue here not the date or time frame.

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  8. Hi Gloria

    I fail to see how religion is involved with this scenario?? Don’t get me wrong but I just don’t see how this part comes into play with the religious sects of various kinds.

    This scenario is about two planets that appear (based on from other pieces of information and early projections) to be on a head on collision course if this is what the scientists have found out but do not want to say for fear of world wide panic which would be of immense proportions.

    As I said IF, again I say it >>>>IF, this is true, the only hope we have is these UFO’s that we are seeing now, who have the capability to save this planet from being wiped out by Planet X which is 4 times bigger than Jupiter!!!!!!!

    If planet Earth hits this Planet X it will only be a burp to Planet X and would not even make a dent to it hardly. If Jupiter was to collide with Planet X then it will be a good thump like it got kicked by something big, but not enough to even threaten Planet X. Jupiter will create a super huge massive hole on Planet X causing some disruption to Planet X overall but it will recover on its own.

    Once Planet Earth hits that atmosphere our oxygen will instantly be gone meaning all of us die and we will instantly freeze solid , and then once Earth makes contact to its hard mass this planet will virtually EXPLODE once the crack reaches our molten super high pressure core. Everything in front at point of impact will literally be crushed and disintegrate, and the other side will explode within a few mere seconds.

    The UFO’s if they can do it, and I think they can due to their advanced technology, simply move our planet slightly out of our normal orbit, by laser tract beams away from Planet X’s path, then we have a chance for survival. This movement is only temporary just to avoid a head on collision. They will put us back to our normal orbit once it passes by safely. As of our moon, I don’t know if it will be saved or not. The moon is not top priority I would think. We can live without a moon you know.

    This is the only plausible explanation of why the UFO’s are in a hurry appearing all over the place on this planet and they are trying to tell us something by making signs in the sky.

    If we were to sit in some church and pray and know this is coming, and no UFO’s are around, do you think Religion is going to stop Planet X from its path????? I will give a small chance here and say maybe provided it is a miraculous divine intervention. The reason I say this and its very hard for me, but I have heard of very strange things especially certain churches that somehow escaped a massive earthquake with hardly any damage to it and everything else around got wiped out from the past events.

    This situation is an entirely different ballgame. We also know that the Milky Way galaxy is also on a collision course with another galaxy but that event will not happen for quite a few billion years long after our sun dies and explodes as it runs out of fuel.

    No matter how you look at it, either way now or later this Planet of ours is destined to die and get wiped out. This part we all know its true and that is reality. Even religions of various sects have stated the very same thing.

    Good luck Gloria

    Daveyo

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  9. everyone seems to be cemented in the fact that they have found this planet or whatever it is… they have not. even the 2 scientist say the data should show it being there,but the data has not been fully went over yet. if it is there then it is amazing but at this point in time there is no proof that it exist. just google ( nasa wise) and you can find alot of news about it. even on nasa’s website they talk about the possibilty of this planet. and as far as it coming right for us… come on guys. if people still cant detect it in normal telescopes and its supposed to be here in less then 2 years it would be moving at a unbelievable speed. the danger that i seem to think is more likely in which alot of people seem to agree on is the fact that this thing if it exist could send some good size asteroids at us when it gets so far around its orbit. thats the thing we should be worried about

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  10. minus 72 C on the surface? So lets do some conjecture as to why so warm. In Dec 09 NASA put out description of gas bubble within larger gas postulated to be from exploded nova 10 million y ago. Just yesterday. Located at the edge of the sun’s heliopause. The NASA release postulated that the nearer cloud lovingly named Fluff had not dispersed or condensed because of higher than expected charge ………..well here we see the condensate, not Bose-Einstein.
    The planet is ‘becoming’ a planet from the gas condensation. If it is in the process of compacting, would that not create heat? Would not a more dense core more readily visible? Is that not why we are going to be able to see it? Because it will be smaller, denser, more reflective?
    What does the electric universe have to say about this? Let’s speculate about what speed it is imploding? Do we have the potential here for a sun?
    Does it go through phase changes that would melt the surface of our planetary system as what happened to Venus (completely resurfaced) 700,000 y ago. Which may be when E got a phase change from ice to liquid, and Mars lost all atmos & surface water?
    Welkovsky, if you have read him, used scientifically gathered data from the top field men of the day. He did not make his info up. Let’s us this insight and work from there.

    Energy in the form of the most compact shape, round, is visible at our sun. Is not ball lightening something we know from E? Are not gas plasma known to have shape?

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  11. I also would like to add to this that this Planet X is approaching from down at the South Pole area folks. Even if you had a telescope you cannot see whats down at the south pole or that star gazing system!!!!!! Impossible. None of us can see the bottom stars OK. There is one area of space that is considered a blind spot to astronomers and its this area.

    Seems everybody forgot this part.

    Like I said if and that word is a big IF it is coming at us on the blind side and when it does make its appearance it will be damn awful close of which then we will see it.

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  13. If this unconfirmed planet is due to hit earth why has this not happened before as stitchen has said planet x has a orbital period of 3.600 year and the universe is pretty old surely our small planet wold have been condemed to chunks of rocks many eons ago due to
    this new planets size I can’t see it being knocked of it’s Orbital patten? Plus if it where to come closer in to our solar system would not the planets in it’s transit be badly effected. Due to gravitational pull I can’t see this unconfirmed planet coming straight towards us due to the age of the universe history would have repeated it self many times over.

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  14. I don’t think its on a 3,600 year obital path. I think its on a hundreds of thousands of years to millions of years path.

    Earth does have mass extinctions over the eons of ages and this is true. We had the Dinos, and we had the Neantherdhals. Plus the Great Permian extinction of which 98% of life got wiped out. It took millions of years for that one to fix itself up.

    This planet X is coming supposingly from our blind spot that no astronomer can see therefore requiring space telescopes to spot it. Its true we do have a blind spot regarding astronomy and that is the southern pole region.

    You have to ask yourself why so many UFO’s have been appearing all over the globe daily. They would not be doing this just for the hell of it you know. They have a darn good reason of which we at the present time cannot figure out why but they are making all kinds of designs in the sky trying to tell us something. At the same token we have no clue to their language as its totally foreign to us.

    Besides that and all the activity ongoing around our Sun which only SOHO can pick it up for us. We are seeing Giant ships of 75,000 miles long and 5,000 miles in height and this is not a joke either.

    I agree that we can have asteroids get knocked around of which some of them can head towards earth or other planets currently within our solar system.

    Most of the large one are gone now. We have the baby debris basically.

    Besides this I now see 8 sphere/beacons parked in a fixed orbit above me in the sky. I have seen 200 plus appear in late November of 2010. So……… call it whatever you like but they are obviously here.

    NASA shut down WISE based on the reasons so given. At the same token they are getting a deluge of hits and its now almost impossible to hide certain facts that others have recently found.

    If they are aliens doing interstellar travel finding a planet such as ours is considered Prime Real Estate known as a top bonanza prize. Ok.

    My guess since the ET has not attacked us up to now, I think they are warning us of some pending and upcoming catastrophe that we ourselves cannot fix due to our inhuman ability and knowledge. Hence all their activity and doing such in a rather hurried manner.

    I believe also that they have a vested interest in humans because they might just so happen to be OUR CREATORS.

    We have cloned animals and played with the DNA and genetics so its reasonable to assume that they too did the very same thing and created us millions of years ago.

    They have also appeared to the ancients numerous times and such has been etched in the granite stones that we see today and find.

    Trust me a gas giant 4 times the size of Jupiter definitely would have a super gravitational pull and it will affect even planets on the opposite side to some extent. Anyone getting close to our present Jupiter now and gets caught in its gravitational pull based on our space capability today it will be impossible to escape.

    Since they have not been able to see any variation or wobble on it or even the slightest change of anything at all, and remember this is all early projections so to speak even though they have known it for some time, it can only mean one thing, and heading towards us.

    With all the UFO’s appearing all over the place so obvious as it can be don’t you wonder why the Governments have REMAINED SILENT UP TO PRESENT DAY?????

    Now you got this Planet X????? supposingly existing???

    Hmm, remember that 2012 movie when the damn President waited till the last minute to tell the world of the impending doom as it was all happening yet they had the time to inform them but neglected to do so.

    I believe its the same scenario now, and the governments will wait till the very last minute to make their announcements which obviously will cause world wide panic and pandemic of immense proportions.

    The rich, the powerful, the top brass be it in the military, in politics and a certain select that they choose will be the ones trying to save themselves. They could care less about us trust me. That is the way of the government and their true policy is to lie and smile and speak with a fork tongue.

    Up to you to believe or not to believe. All you have to do is look around you and do a little research and separate the sheeps from the goats and you might see some part of the picture that is forming in front of us all.

    Good luck

    Daveyo

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    • It’s interesting to note, that in Courtney Brown’s first book-“Cosmic Voyage”…he says that there used to be a race of beings(martians, technically) on Mars, and that when they had their atmospheric changes, many of them died, but many were also saved before extinction, by another race of aliens!
      Sound familiar….?!
      I think you would LOVE Courtney Brown’s books. He used to be the head of the Social Psychology Dept for a prestigious university, that I forget the name of at the moment…lol. Anyway, due to his existence changing experiences with Scientific Remote Viewing, he is now the founder and head of The Farsight Institute. I wrote about it in a previous response. It’s something that not many people know about – which is why I was so excited for the movie, “Men Who Stare at Goats” – with George Clooney – I believe that’s the name of it anyway. It wasn’t as in-depth as I’d like – but it’s accurate as far as some of it goes – especially the part about how the American gov’t, authorized the military to do psychic spying. Left out the part about finding out that the Russians were doing it, and so of course, we had to as well!

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    • Oh my good lordy god Daveyo.
      Your conclusions are Ludicrous.
      Did Soho catch a huge ship out there? sure.
      Is it 75 “Thousand” miles long etc? get real.
      First thats several times larger than the earth it Self.
      You Cannot measure the object with out several established points of reference to guide you which we do not have.
      the sun alone will not do.
      we simply cannot tell the distance accurately between the object and us. Im sure its huge as hell. perhaps even a thousand miles or so. (maybe but doubtful)
      But it sure as hell isnt 75000. know why?
      Because an object of that size will have MASS.
      that much mass will have a gravity field of its own.
      It will cause celestial bodies to respond to such a field, causing them to wobble in thier orbits.
      Lastly, with such mass, the shape of the object could not BE a disc. it would have to be a sphere, or it will collapse in on it self at the outer points. This is Why planets and moons of a certain size are spherical, while smaller still Huge astral bodies like astroids which have such low mass and weak gravity can retain oblong or non spheracle shapes.
      so, in essense…. the ship filmed was Not as close to the sun as we think.
      it was significantly smaller than 75000.
      And dont even get me started on how many planets… in fact how many different entire solar systems one would have to rip apart just to build some thing of such size and mass.
      You would need the metal cores of a good several hundred earth sized worlds to even begin scratching such a project.

      So, crack a book and do some math where engineering and physics are concerned puh-lease.
      (Yes, i Still think an Unusually large craft has been spotted here.)

      Next.
      Dont assume to postulate on Nibiru’s orbital size.
      We dont have enough scientific data to even begin that just yet, but I will draw on ancient knowlege that call the visiting body the destroyer, the dragon, nemesis, and so on.
      Clearly some massive celestial body has passed through here on a regular basis before causing utter destruction disaster and some times even extinction level events before. And it has happened on a scheduled basis in recorded history. this means Not in the hundreds of thousands or millions of years orbital length category.
      3600 years is a reasonable conclusion based on the exodus from Egypt roughly 3600 yrs ago, and the great flood some 3600 yrs before that and so on.
      Lastly, because it has come and gone before, we can be pretty certain it is not on a collision course with earth. it is part of the math, it has a set pattern and has been doing it since our solar system was young some 3 and 4 billion years ago.
      Just because we cannot get an accurate reading on its most minute movements does not mean it is on a Direct intercept/collision path.
      god man, the earth has a huge Huge orbit around the sun.
      The measurements of Nibirur were taken at seperate times. the earth was not in exactly the same possition on each time, and yet Nibiru seemed unmoving?
      This would mean that at best, Nibiru might pass close to the spot that earth was in at the “time” that nibiru was detected. but it doesnt mean that THATS where the earth will be precisely at the time that Nibiru passes.
      Since earth has witnessed and survived its passing before, it is more than likely that the giant will be 10s of millions of miles away.
      still This IS cause for alarm as such a massive gravitational body so close to use Will absolutely cause havoc to both us and our sun.
      I fear the planetary stress’s super volcanos, and solar flares that will plague us for a few years indeed.
      You can kiss all electronics good by for a good year or so at least I am sure, setting us all back to the stone age and truly unprepared for it.
      we will starve die, and go to war over the remaining scant resources to be sure. Expect a planet wide winter that will last a few years.
      No crops, no gass, no electricity. Stone age with a 7 billion population will Not be pretty.

      Please make your future calculations and arguments logical and realistic.
      ~Varakienen.

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  15. I just wander what those giant ships are for? Evacuate us? if so, say they come tomorrow. will we trust them if we do not know what is coming? Not all people will be able to fit in those ships (I think). Who will decide who will get rescued and who not? How will we enter the ships? will they land? or “beam” us up.
    What happens after we are “rescued” droped back on a semi dead planet?

    From all desaster movies I have made 1 conclusion, sometimes the dead are the lucky ones. the living do not have food, get sick, get killed, most do not know how to survive and die a terrible death.

    I hope our planet is starship earth, and moves when Planet X comes.

    Just my thoughs after reading this.

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    • If the ship is 75,000 miles long and the Earth is 24,000 miles around, with only 30% of that habitable land, I think it is safe to say we would all fit. It is also safe to say such a ship would not be able to land and the only way it could possibly pick us up would be through the use of a technology we likely have no knowledge of.

      However, this is the first I’ve heard of such a ship and now feel the need to research it further.

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    • What do you think H.A.R.R.P is doing . najef .

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  16. Clue – According to Sumerian tablets, the Anunnaki discovered Earth had tremendous amounts of gold, which they then created humans to mine, and which they returned to their planet, Nibiru, in huge batches over thousands of years in order to repair its atmosphere. So, what kind of atmosphere would gold be able to repair, or reconstitute? That should give a clue to the composition of the planet itself. You can thank the late, great scholar, Zecharia Sitchin, for this post.

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    • well the only thing i can fathom is the purifying qualities of gold, gold is a malleable metal with purifying qualities that science is yet to understand (silver has similar qualities). An old wives tale (for which many remedies you find on store shelves are thankful for) states that if you rub gold ona sty in your eye or an small infected cut, it will begin the healing proces much faster. now this is neither confirmed nor denied by science, but! i have noticed a new brand of plasters have been brought out with a silver inlay (minute of course!) that boosts the healing process. Now i think this repair the atmoshpere thing is rubbish hahaha but the gold healing theory has got some backing…

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  17. Do you people all live in a poorly written science fiction novel?????? How guliable you all are to take all of this crap like it is proven fact. Sometimes, some people are to stupid to be breathing on their own let alone putting out their opinions that show them as only capable of the lowest quality of thought. Get away from your computer and the stupid theories and go out and enjoy the real world for a while!!!!!!!!!

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  18. Prince William: 5555 days old on Princess Diana’s funeral and more high strangeness:

    http://kaldanis.blogspot.com/2010/03/prince-williams-occulted-numbers.html

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  19. I agree the date lines that the doomsday sayers create have no significance. But waht is significant is that there are definatly changes going on within our planet and the whole universe as we know it, For one our nearest star is spilling out more solar flares than it ever has before indicating a change in fuel may be soon to occur, this scientific thoery again has been postualted to relate to the 21/12/12 but again its the same would be doomsday people who make it sound so bad, it could take another million years for most of the things that are currently happening to finally come to fruition.

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    • Luke trust you,re feelings .! Records of solar discharge are not massive and only go back so many years luke The truth is known but only by a handfull of induviduals on E 1 There is nothing to indicate that the sun is suffering from a shortage of combustables its overall mass has not changed and output remains the same the spot activity is now starting to increase and will do for the next 9 and a half years . and do not worry about 2012 . As from what i have made of the jigsaw of life we are wrong about a vast amount on earth and always will be .The very way information changes when passed along a chain should tell you nasa are nothing more than a bunch of idiots . What you need to investigate is the fact that nasa has two programs in play the one you know about and the one you do not .

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  20. just a little note mat, nearly all of our science that has been proven today from the microwave to the space rocket came from a science fiction novel… so before you state that having no evidence means a theory is kaput, think again were dealing with stuff weve never seen before and we have no idea of their limitations (if any) on resources and construction, hell if you want some scientific reading ill offer you to read my theories on their propulsion, what theyre made of and how they seem to move at speed without breaking the sound barrier, (like the few fighter planes tailing them have been observed doing) and how they seem to be unaffected by g forces that allows them to do the acrobatics we see with amazing percision.

    Remember that nearly all sci fi has become sci FACT, even teleportation is now making baby steps….

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  21. In 1983, one of the most reputable astronomers of the day, Robert Harrington discovered this supposed object. An article about it in the Washington Post. Now, almost 30 years later, a similar object is discovered? Something doesn’t add up here.

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  22. Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
    All this doesn’t really matter. It’s how we live our life, here and now that counts. While this may be interesting, and I find it such, what is really important is the testamony that we give as to how we lived the life we have been given for the short time we are here. Did we love? That is the question we must all stand in judgement ofand may God have mercy on us all if we did not.

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  23. this whole thing is stupid. a planet that far out would take 100s of years to get near earth, so why care? and why would anyone listen to an idiot professor in LA that doesn’t seem to know that a planet that size generates plenty of it’s own heat. the moons of Jupiter are heated more by Jupiter than the Sun. why don’t you people study important things, instead of wasting time on nonsense?

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  24. To HS Dodge

    Now your comment simply does not add up here. Why would the aliens bother to make us to mine gold for them ehhh. There is obvious evidence in China that they have mined minerals for themselves and left all the trails and evidence that they were there. The mine shafts are cut absolutely smooth showing no rock buster machine cutting thru it.

    Gold does not create atmosphere folks. Its a metal and we all know its terrific for electrocution. Take the Ark of the Covenant, lade with gold and they put down gold floors and then they walk in barefoot and get juiced intantly when they touch a ungrounded power source such as the Ark itself.

    Come on. Nobody understands the Sumerian tablets let alone whoever this stitchen is.

    To Robert Bruce:
    Granted Hebrews made a statement and no argument pertaining to death as we all will die sooner or later. However that statement pertaining to judgment is shot full of holes here. What about all those in the past way before such writing came into existence such as the Neantherdahls who lived for a million years, or those before them and anyone who never heard of such comment. You cannot make a tier system when you judge people. It has to be one for all and all for one without any deviation one way or another.

    And to top it off, it will not be fair to execute such judgment since none of us has seen or know the other side nor had the opportunity to experience it.

    Give it a break. OK.

    When you die you go dust to dust grain to grain, molecule to molecule gas to gas and out to the cosmos itself.

    If you don’t know what you did prior to being born, then surely you will not know what will happen after your dead.

    I see some quotes how religion contradicted itself. Sheeesh. As I said before religion is MAN MADE and if so, then its garbage without any higher up to verify what is the truth or what is false.

    That is reality. OK.

    Daveyo

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  25. Hi Chad

    I agree with your assessment and thoughts on the matter. However we must just for the sake of it, keep in mind of this alleged rogue star that might be creeping up from the South Pole region since none of us can see it. OK. As of this moment we do not even know its distance officially, nor has it been detailed out enough. We only got some bits and pieces of info on it. -75c is about minus 103 degrees below zero quite warm considering its vast distance out in space. OK This gives us some food to think about sort of so its basically in the back burner so to speak if needed to put the pieces all together.

    However lets deal with reality here. UFO’s and we do see them quite a bit now, and also around the SUN and of the incredible fuck up BP Oil did to our Gulf causing the North Atlantic conveyor belt to shut down and die. That belt is essential for our survival. OK. Not to mention so many weird weather incidents taking place and the geothermal activity has increased and whats happenin in Chile which affects the earths axis and rotation. Include the shifting of the magnetic poles moving towards Russia at an alarming rate. Additionally SOHO pics verifying UFO existence and the incident in Jerusalem, and the obscene mass die off of birds and fish and whats happening in Australia and other places around the world.

    Whats going on simply cannot be ignored any longer. Something big is happenin and the only thing we all do know it has a lot to do with the UFO’s for some reason or another. I saw 200 plus in late November of 2010 of which 4 of them hovered over me for that 6 hours and now I see 8 parked beacon/spheres here every nite.

    Is this cause for concern??? Absolutely.. what can we do about it??……. Absolutely nothing cause we have no idea of what the hell is going on?????….. The governments have remained quiet. Should we be concerned???? Absolutely because its very uncharacteristic of them to keep their mouths shut when something is of a threat to them.

    So is something big about to take place???? I think so and is it something to worry about???? I think so, and how much time do we have???? NONE OF US KNOW.

    That is where we stand at the moment.

    This part is reality OK

    Daveyo

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  26. It certainly seems that these observations and calculations point to something outside our present knowledge of the solar system is developing. I have indeed watched and read with interest all the goings on. Yes the doomsday protagonists seem to cloud the issues. But believing in a higher intelligence that influences our very being, as all the major religions and belief systems both past and present do, there has to be more to all this than meets the eye. Revelations in a lot of these religions (many manipulated by man for his own means) point to a period of great tribulation in our Earth’s future.
    We need to unite as one race on this beautiful planet and all pull together to face up to the challenges of future. Where ever they come from. So far as a race we have failed miserably. Divine Intelligence will take steps to rectify these problems, if all act together in the common good (Love), all things can be overcome. Is higher life above (or within) us now watching for our response, yes they are, I am sure of it.
    So our response to these issues needs to go deeper (with knowledge and understanding and spiritual awareness) to deal with the possibility that life as we know it may come to an end or be drastically modified.
    We need to be open to all possibilities and to actively research and meditate on all the information coming to us.
    I am a committed Spiritualist Christian and believe that all these events beginning to take shape are a wake-up call. Check out Tim McHyde he seems to be on the right track. Check out psychic sites, and all the resources of the internet to review all the data you possibly can.We can know the future and take steps to change our present destiny.
    It would far better to sort ourselves out on this planet before being whisked off to another to carry on in the same way as before. Yes higher intelligence does watch and needs to see the response we make to see if salvation of our kind is warranted.

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  27. it would be interesting.

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  28. ok I have collected 14 potential other names used for this planet. Can anyone enlighten me if ALL these refer to the same planet coming past us? Nibiru, Hercolubus, Eris, Sakloth, Nemisis, Appolon, Orcus, Planet X. Destroyer, Wormwood, Frightener, Red Comet and The Passing Planet and ‘Comet Elenin’?
    See my Planet X Playlist: http://www.youtube.com/user/nixatnite#grid/user/6031C6C39D0A8F23

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  29. ok I have collected 14 potential other names used for this planet. Can anyone enlighten me if ALL these refer to the same planet coming past us? Nibiru, Hercolubus, Eris, Sakloth, Nemisis, Appolon, Orcus, Planet X. Destroyer, Wormwood, Frightener, Red Comet and The Passing Planet and ‘Comet Elenin’?
    See my Planet X Playlist: http://www.youtube.com/user/nixatnite#grid/user/6031C6C39D0A8F23

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  30. yep Nick, they all refer to the same puppy known as the rogue star.

    Let me make this clear folks. IT IS NOT A PLANET. It is a star or known as a brown dwarf. It is a gaseous state and not a solid state. OK.

    Our Sun for example is a gaseous state and not a solid entity. It will only become a solid state known as a neutron star after it has completed its dying phase and collapses to form extremely dense material and it will have so much energy to power any planet for billions of years. One problem tho, if anything gets close to it, it is crushed literally due to its immense gravitational pull. Also it will stick solid to the surface permanently.

    I suggest you read up about a neutron star.

    Daveyo

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  31. The Rogue Star! another name! why do we all keep renaming it?? lol Thanks for clarifying. OK so its a brown dwarf. thanks. :)

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  33. calm down bro your biting at his lines, where his proof hes a bloody nasa scientist or wotever, he could just be a bloody toilet scrubber, and another thing, mat you keep crying out for someone to give you some evidence and ive offered to let you see my theories on their craft that is supported by my last 2 years in physics and my knowledge of mechancanics and various material research….

    The offer is still there for you to look at it if you so wish but im doubting whether you would as you didnt take the first offer.

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  34. Hey Daveyo… impressed with the conviction and apparent knowledge you impress in your posts… I too believe something HUGE is coming and that it has already began… the mass animal die offs, fish, birds, beasts, all over the world, yesterday Kenya, 5 million aqua life found dead adding to the large list of sad possible endtime signs… New Zealands earthquake as I write, the floods here in Oz… and the almost ZERO reports on a lot of this from media corps around the globe… and now to these 3 huge spacecraft/anomalies headed our way, the spacecraft hovering over the face of the sun, not to forget Planet X… I have a question for you… in another post you say the aliens intentions are not friendly yet above you say you dont believe they will attack us? What is your reason for either arguement? Appreciate your info, thanks… :) Maybe all these aliens are simply here to watch the show, our beautiful Earth destroyed and smashed to pieces by Planet X, after all we all gather to the streets to watch a car crash or fireworks, right… its a BIG show potentially, a galactic event, why wouldnt they want premium seats… ??? Just my thoughts… Peace :)

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    • The reason that they have no hostile intent is clear in their presentation….

      if destruction was in their nature they would remain hidden until the oppurtune moment and then start on the destruction of us all. its very simple guerilla tactics… But, alas, we know theyre here, their bright craft make no attempts to hide from us and their global shows never have any agressive tendancies. These guys are obviously peaceful and of a much higher intellegence (theyd have to be because theres bugger all down here haha).

      Believer youre in AUS right??? have you heard about the sighting over melbourne and cairns??? i moved back to nz from QLD just before all this stuff started happening all over the world so ive missed most of it as they havent been over NZ much haha.

      Anyways as to them being here, we know they arent hostile, and ive discussed with daveyo as to their interest in our planet to which ive decided is a non event as weve almost killed it already, so all that is left is for them to intervene in our own destruction, or as youve said, sit back and watch the fireworks… like a bunch of space tourists haha, im hoping its the first option but hey well never know until one comes up and tells me straight.

      embrace the unknowns

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  35. Just to make a brief post as I have been mourning all day over a death of a close family member since 7 AM.

    Initially I thought they were hostile in the beginning and I still will not get near them cause I do not know who and what they are and of their true intentions, even though they have not given/done any serious moves to threaten us. The worse they have done so far is appear out of no where silently surprising us and even scaring us to some extent. On the other hand its better to be safe and cautious until we have a chance to have a dialogue with them and see how they answer so many of our questions.

    I’m not putting too much stock on the rogue star also known as the brown dwarf, until NASA decides to open up the channels to let us see it better so it simply kept in the back burner.

    Actually we have already killed our planet and its done and not reversible. We have gone past the point of no return.

    As Luke said all that remains is the final touches to see what the aliens will do in the coming months ahead. Since the ball is in their court, they have the upper hand to sink a 3 point play.

    I cannot wait to see a 75,000 mile long ship appear here on Earth. If it does just remember it will be visible from one end to the other end of the horizon in the sky as far as your eyes can see line of sight. Actually this ship is 3 earth size planets put together.

    As of the Sun it is expected to have higher solar activity, since it is due as expected. Nothing to panic there but a lot to worry if one of those flares make a beeline towards our planet since we depend on electronics so heavily it will cause a huge disruption. I understand we just missed getting hit recently last week.

    OK enough from me, have to tend to my family funeral friends. Hard to see here. Been a long 24 hours for me.

    Daveyo

    Here is another thing straight from SOHO. In the span of less than 10 minutes this ship made a complete 90 degree turn. There is no comets or asteroids that I know of that can do such a thing, yet the evidence is quite clear and convincing it has to be a ship period.

    I hope that Mat soils his pants when he sees it. It will be the biggest piece of evidence he will ever get in his lifetime, since he is so demanding for proof and evidence from us members acting like a jerk at the same time. It does not matter whether he a troll or a NASA wannabee or a NASA yes sir or yes Ms. Peacock, like it or not he is still going to get reality smashed into his face sooner or later.

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  37. Daveo may I have the link to that SOHO info please. Many Thanks :)
    With the latest New Zealand Earthquake hitting yesterday at 6.5, I wonder if this was HAARP or the effects of Herculobus. What do you think?

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    • It has nothing to do with with HAARP. HAARP is a weather control device which lauches controlled levels of ionised particles into clouds overhead to effectively create man made storm clouds. (but obviously it can be blamed for droughts and flooding for some countries, mainly the ones int he middle east, one district got 50years worth of rainfall in a week it was something around 600mm-1000mm)

      I live in NZ nick and watching the earthquake on the news is horrible. The main damage done there has been done through soil liqufaction, in otherwords the solid bedrock turned into mush and the building on top simply crumbled, now i dont know how much of the facts you know about this quake, bu ti was extremely shallow only 5km from the surface and 10km from the CBD. The damage from this quake although smaller in magnitude has been worse than the 7 pointer in september 2010.

      Now for whats happening around the world…

      Right now around the world the siesmic activity is up, geothermal activity is up and also storms and weather anomalies are appearing with increasing regulatrity. some examples are in Africa where the red sea is pushing its way through the middle of the African continent causing wide cracks (these crack used to move at mm per year but now are moving in metres) to appear and shallow areas to fall below sea level (also small volcanoes are appearing on land spewing lava with a high silica content, normally only found in under sea volcanoes, this is an indication the area is sinking and soon to become part of the red sea).

      In New Zealand, geothermal parks were closed for a time after a spike in geothermal activity resulted in several new geysers popping out of no where and an area of 200m falling into the ground and now is a pit of bubbling mud. Lake taupo (google earth it) was once a volcano and now the lake has filled the crater, 2 months ago this volcano that was dormant had a 6.4 magnitude earthquake 20km from the original cone, also as this relates, the entire north island of New Zealand is on volcano alert, i live roughly 18-20km from my nearest one so im hoping when it happens its not here. Also the weather in NZ is very strange, were getting cyclonic weather from the south (this has never been observed before as cyclones come from the hot regions to the north), 3 days ago we had 5 water spouts spotted out to sea roughly 1-2km from the shore, i saw 2 of them, a coast gaurd who has been in the region for 25 years said hes never seen so many at once, usually theres 1 or 2 throughout the whole of summer.

      In western australia yesterday a freak tornado appeared along with a cyclone that is batterning that section of the country. queensland as you have probably heard is no longer in a drought, it has been innundated with water covering an area larger than france and germany combined, 3 cyclones have already hit QLD with another set to hit within the week, normally they only have 2 per year. NSW is also innundated with water, and freak electrical storms are now a common occurance (this is unusual this late in summer). Also Tasmania is flooded but not to the extent of the main landmass.

      Now as to the rest of the world, the phillipines have had tornadoes that have never been seen before by the resisdents of those islands, china is in its worst ever drought, America has had 2 major blizzards in a small space of time, Las vegas had a tornado along with NYC which is extremely unusual, japan had a volcano erupt unexpectedly along with mt etna and greenland is getting set for one to pop aswel. Daveyo informed me that Yellowstone national park is recording higher levels of geothermal activity, and also that the north atlantic currrent has stopped as a result of the BP oil spill in the gulf.

      Its all looking pretty dire at the moment, is there anyone reading this that can inform me of any other stuff happening that hasnt been in the news or on the web?

      Anyway Nick, i hope this has helped you and others to understand the situation, Daveyos right, weve passed the point where the earth could recover. now im sure he’ll have some more stuff to add to this that i havent read.

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  38. Thanks Daveyo,Luke,Nick for your posts, appreciate all your time and info, especially Daveyo with the funeral… :( . Daveyo, you mentioned these orbs or beacons over Thailand, im wondering if with a telescope one could see these things from Queensland Australia where I am? Understanding I am a complete novice in astronomy… Another thing, im not religious to any serious degree but I do have an interest in prophesy and the Bible does mention in two places the birds, fish, beasts of the earth as dying mysteriously before man begins to dissapear as well… im also wondering as it says that Satan and his Antichrist will rule the world towards the end which we know, via the illuminati, politicians, corrupt evildoers, such types who would chemtrail the world poisoning the populations amongst godknows what other horrors they get up to… I cannot imagine that any current world government will say they are “friendly” even if they are, simply because of the potential threat to their own cushy existance and hey, they may lose a whole world population of voluntary slaves who work hard to pay all the taxes they demand for maintenance of their lifestyles via power technologies, electricity rates, water rates etc etc, when we all know it was once available for free (see Tesla/The Pyramid Code doco’s), im wondering that as the Bible says Gods “angels” ie these incoming aliens will seek to oust our world leaders for the benefit of the meak who the Bible says (the biggest and most important failed prophecy in the Bible “the meak will inherit the Earths” cause as we know the meak have never had ownership of this planet at any time given the empirical rulers, meglomaniacs, aristocrats and royal houses that have ruled us since day one figuratively… my question is do you think that they will declare war on our governments and not necessarily us, remembering the Bible and the end time prophecies, which are seemingly finally beginning to come true? I personally would love to see the end of all those who rule us on this planet and a new and enlightened dawn of Aquarius which begins Dec 22 2012… thats why when our Politicins do finally announce their arrival and that they are here to war with us, I’ll sit back and wait for evidence of them killing normal everyday people before making any judgements… they can have the illuminati, have the Politicians, kill all the vampires who have driven this beautiful planet into the pit…
    Regards… Believer

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  39. Also… hooray to the 75,000 mile long ship that Daveyo repoted did a phenomenal 90 degree turn… does anyone agree with me that they have just given us who are aware of their existence one-hell-of-a-sign that indeed they are NOT an asteroid… Im quitely confident that they are scanning all information on Earth, internet, media, etc related to their soon arrival and monitoring how humans and separately Governments are reacting to their impending appearance.

    To Mat, is a slave wage worth the price of your integrity and the TRUTH?… you should be ashamed of yourself… im quite prepared to eat humble pie and admit im 100% gullible if this 90% turning asteroid is ultimately just an asteroid… but how stupid and ashamed will you feel that you knew the Truth (if you do work for NASA and I believe you just might do so!!!) and did like a good slave and propagandist tried to decieve your fellow human beings with lies for your 30 pieces of silver… And if there is nothing to hide why do your employers shut down the telescopes WISE and SOHO???

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  40. Luke thank you so much for oyur collated info on current cataclysms! :) I was aware of most of those stories as I have many truther mates on Facebook and I repost incessantly daily. Add me to Facebook as refreshme@live.com if you want to connect and share posts there too :) That goes for any other truthers here who want to help everyday people on our friends lists to awaken.
    Anyone go a link about the 75000 mile long ship?
    As beautiful as NZ is, maybe its time to move to a safe place people. I live in the Blue Mountains of NSW in Australia 1050m above sea level. Any place under 200m is considered risky according to http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm

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  41. Hey folks… you just have to check this out. Go to http://www.alienscalpel.com and check out his latest ultra scary video footage from the American congress!!! dated 18 Feb. The title of the video is called ‘Govt funding for alien war’ and no shit this is a scary announcement when you add in the fact that the reader of the pending bill says “JESUS!!!” half way through and nearly chokes on what he’s reading!!! “Flesh-eating”, “their enormous size and worldly strength”, “radiation” etc etc… watching this got the hairs on the back of my neck (and my brothers!!!) standing up… im sure the ‘classified’ word was ALIEN!!!

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  42. Im Believers brother, def this is a freaky and VERY interesting video… maybe they aint friendly! Definately a war brewing and for certain something BIG coming our way!

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  43. yer not sure what to make of that one mate

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  44. Hi Believer

    Granted yesterday was a very rough day for me, and I ended up crying to sleep. The memories I have of him will be forever cherished in my heart and in my mind even though both will decay but I do believe that there is another dimension that when we die we will cross over to it. This dimension is a one way ticket to ride barrier period. The reason I say this, there has to be a way for our lives and our physical memories to be permanently recorded, and I do believe they will wait for me on the other side when its my time and take me to my new home.

    Why do I know this??? Because I saw some evidence in such a way that Stevie acknowledged that the others who died before him were there waiting for him. Without going into detail I know it to be the truth.

    Besides I can feel their presence around me in spirit. Whether it true or not, I think of it as our soul and each living thing must have a soul to go to, which apparently to my surprise even the aliens have mentioned such a thing long time ago.

    Also if this is true to some extent not sure if we have to face some form of judgment to account our actions of what we did in our physical life. Yes there is a good and a bad and we all have it one way or another.

    We all seem to look for some way to have eternal life in various ways. However we must keep in mind, fear the one who not only can destroy a body but can also destroy the soul. If the soul is destroyed we go into oblivion forever and be wiped out and never be accounted for any consideration in the future.

    So many will ask what feeds the soul. The answer lies in the Universe. It is the Universe itself that will feed our souls for eternity. Whether we can hold and hug someone, or speak to, or express our emotions etc, our thoughts remains to be seen. I hope I can still have my emotions and be able to hold and cherish them and express my love to my beloved, and speak to them and have them around me again hopefully for eternally because they are my family.

    As to the question for astronomers here are the coordinates of approximate locations where these beacons/spheres are located. Again it depends on your line of sight. If any of you in Australia have any connections to some astronomer friends of yours, please have them take the look for you and somehow record it and take pics of it. I would love to see it and for me to have as my evidence of proof.

    Here it is:

    15° 43′ N/ 100° 26′ E

    These beacons/spheres stay only on the night side of the sky and are in fixed postition. As the earth moves from east to west the beacons/spheres do the same. They are fixed into position directly North, South, East and West, in relation to our magnetic poles and spread apart. I have 8 of them now.

    Here is also a more precise coordinates:

    15.25.48 N
    100.15.36 W

    From here you have to make some corrections for altitude to locate the beacon/spheres precisely. This I don’t know how to do. All I know these things are just above our main atmosphere but high enough to keep them from falling to earth, because you can see these with your own eyesight.

    Oh don’t worry believer, I am one of them that believe that those are ships.

    To Nick

    To see this 75,000 mile ship its here on this site. Scroll to the bottom and look for the Lasco topic showing this ship making the 90 degree turn. You can then see it for yourself.

    As to both of you, I am not sure what the aliens will do next as they have not indicated it to us yet. They are still displaying their presence in the skies at various places.

    As of them scanning us, they have already done it. They know everything over here, and I am sure they also know our frequencies to see internet, T.V., radio etc.

    It will also be very nice that they are also watching the CIA and the FBI as well and all the supposed secret centers that the governments built to scan us. hehehehehehehehehe. And here is the best part, the aliens can destroy them should they choose to do so.

    In order for these secret centers to avoid detection they have to shut themselves down, and we all know they will not do it. That is the beauty of them being exposed.

    If I had a wish of anything. I would wish that the Aliens do six things. Wish #1 is to destroy and eliminate all Governments and military bozos off of this planet and get rid of our nuclear arsenal and this includes police, CIA, and taxes that we are burdened with constantly.

    Wish #2 is to eliminate all religions of every sect since it is the religions that cause most of our conflicts today and such has done so over the course of thousands of years.

    Wish #3 is to eliminate this crazy economy and price fixing by the stock market and do away of such horrendous economic system that creates us so many problems.

    Wish #4 is to restore and repair Earth and to then tell us the proper way on how to live in peace and have harmoney without friction, and teach us the way of the new and teach us their new technology to make better use of for long term.

    Wish #5 to give each of us a chance to live a good life and turn away of the old and to have much longer life spans than it is today.

    Wish #6 To allow all those on Earth to have a chance to choose whom we want back in our lives that is important to us, bringing back some of the dead, and perhaps maybe give us some eternal life as well.

    I know whom I would want, and its not much at all, and I will be happy with the choices I make because I miss them so much I grieve everyday thinking about them constantly as they have had the biggest impact regarding my entire life.

    To Nick, I hope all is OK with you over in New Zealand as it is not good. In case you not know it, the northern part of New Zealand the Pacific plate is going underneath the Australian plate and on the southern part the Australian plate is going under the Pacific plate.

    In other words New Zealand is being TWISTED in half

    If the epicenter is 5 km down below you, that is very much cause of concern to worry. In earthquake terms that is very close to the surface. Don’t forget the crack goes down for miles below that point. The fracture is heading towards the surface.

    New Zealand is actually a MOUNTAIN that is above the water surface. If that mountain breaks New Zealand will disappear. The same applies to the Philippines, Taiwan and some other places. Hawaii and Guam to name a few is actually a mountain and not some flat land mass. What is worse in Guam it is very close to the trench that drops down to 39,000 feet!!!!!! otherwise known as the deepest part of the Pacific ocean.

    Out in the North Atlantic near Iceland folks the bottom part of the ocean has NO FLOOR meaning there is a huge crack that goes down to oblivion where the two tectonic plates are practically split apart. This goes down to the bottom at the mantle. If you not believe me check it out.

    till next message

    Daveyo

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  45. Daveo Im sorry about your relative. I hope you feel better soon.
    Thanks for all the info. I agree with all your wishes. I think the good ETs have infiltrated Govt too and are working as we speak to see change.
    I am in the Blue Mountains of NSW, not NZ
    I am safe.
    Did you get the info about the plates from the Zetatalk site? http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
    its a very detailed info site- channelled info from the Zetas about the pole shift.

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  46. Hi Believer

    I saw that video you posted. First off we do know and suspected that there is some kind of space war ongoing. To support this I saw the video shot by NASA showing one of the spaceships firing a laser to some incoming ship. Now it would be conceivable to think if it was friendly it will not fire a laser weapon at it.

    Now on this video by the Rep of congress asking for unknown amount of funds since just about every word he says classified, classified etc and etc. I wonder myself why are WE involved with this?????? The way he described things on that reading, we don’t have the fucking technology to deal with whatever is out there to the best of our knowledge. So where is this coming from and what technology do they have?? Where in the hell is this fight taking place at??? here or in space?? This is our tax money that they are asking for not money straight from the treasury department >>>Ok So if they are asking for money out of our tax money we have a right to know what the fuck is going on in DETAIL so we all can make a reasonable decision its your money as well as mine.

    To Luke:

    Please look at this video and contact me first via e-mail as I want to discuss this with you first before you post your analyzed version on this site. Whatever Luke and I agree to folks is going to be pretty much the gospel.

    As I have said before folks I am not sure which side we are dealing with regarding Aliens> are they friend or foe? since we don’t know what the hell to look for to tell the difference, so for me its no mans land period. Approach them with extreme caution if forced to do so.

    Secondly I do not see any movement of our military forces being deployed anywhere other than to afganistan. Is this where the fight is at taking place against the aliens??? and not the Taliban or idiots as known of which they say to the public???? So where is our people our miltary subjects coming from???? as that Rep from Congress spoke about.

    If they have immense strength, are flesh eating, high radiation?? are we dealing with the Reptillians as the former ET who died told us about????? Hmmmm wonder if the gieger counters that detect radiation will come in handy here.

    Goddamn why doesn’t the governments tell the world what the fuck is going on and level with us.???????

    You have to also consider Congress likes to exaggerate things a bit too.

    I mentioned this before a few time about PLANET EARTH!!!!!!

    This piece called EARTH is ONE VERY VALUABLE PIECE OF REAL ESTATE. Anybody doing interstellar travel finds such a planet like ours it is a BONANZA compared to many solar star systems.

    Now we got another issue to contemplate upon.

    Daveyo

    PS Can anybody give me a link to see a transcribed document of this speech in writing????? If you do let me know.

    Time to start banding together here.

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  47. Not o Venus, or other planet, what we know. This is something really awesome:

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  48. i didnt read some of what was said after the video. and if someone has pointed this out i apologize. i will go back and read after this post but i can not read any farther without saying this. the video that was posted about the rep and congress talking about the “war” please look on the bottom of the right corner. i look at the onion website all the time. this was a mock video made by them. if you do not believe me or know what the onion is search for theonion.com and watch the video there. its not a cover up or anything like that. its just simply a video made to make people laugh. i saw it a while back on the onion sorry to bust anyones bubble about that being real. as far as the other convo i have read, i am very intrigued by the ufos and the video where the ufo does a 90 degree turn. its amazing. just to make sure i am not trying to make fun of anyone for believing the video just pointing out the facts. and for matt and dav, there is no need to keep arguing. you both have different points of view. everyone is allowed to have their own but i see points from all of you. and i think it was luke that had some extra information about the ufos that said he would send them to matt if he wanted but i for one would love to read everything you have. we are all here because we all believe something is going on and we know that our governments are not telling the truth about lots of things. sorry for the grammer errors and misspellings. im at work and trying to type all this before my boss sees me doing anything else besides work.
    thank you!

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  49. this is all getting a bit nasty isnt it. come on we are all humans on this planet and we are just trying to figure stuff out. Lets be more patient with each other. Swearing and name calling is completely unnecessary. We are all adults here arent we?

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  50. To Believer

    Here are the reasons why that the video is faked concerning the flesh eating deal. That is why I started asking question as at first I thought it was real and only saw the first portion of it and went to bed. I did not see the entire video. My mistake.

    This alleged clip from the floor of the House of Representatives is a fake created by “The Onion News Network.”

    1. NOTE: The person speaking is identified as a “Rep. John Haller, (R) Pennsylvania, 12th District.” There is no Representative John Haller. Since 1974, the 12th Congressional District of Pennsylvania has been represented in the House of Representatives by John Murtha, a Democrat.

    2. NOTE: At the bottom right of the picture, in an effort to gain the legitimacy of C-SPAN, the “Onion” logo appears next to -SPAN.

    3. “The Onion News Network” is a fake news source that publishes on the internet. The publishers of “The Onion News Network” created H.R. 8791, “A Proposed (Classified) Bill Will Defend Against Flesh-Eating (Classified).” They also created “Rep. John Haller (R-PA)” and the phony introduction of a nonexistent bill in the House.

    4. The publishers of “The Onion” first posted the phony introduction of this phony bill on their website (on or about October, 2007, No. 41 and No. 43.) It was not long thereafter that it appeared on uTube.

    4. The phony H.R. 8791 is a bill created by “The Onion.” It is alleged to be a bill “that will allocate (classified) dollars over the next (classified) years to fight flesh-eating (classified).”

    5. The publishers of “The Onion” may regard this as satire, and much of “The Onion” is fine satire and very amusing. Nevertheless, your question and that of others establish that many have listened and watched this uTube piece without knowing that the bill never existed and that its introduction was a hoax.

    I defend “The Onion’s” right to free expression; however, I am concerned that since this tape was first shown in 2007, many have been duped.

    Perhaps the fact that so many have been duped is the statement that should concern us all. Could it be that the tenor of the times and those in control of the House, Senate, and Executive Branch in 2007 were such that this nonsense was and still is taken seriously?

    [I have no monetary interest in "The Onion" or in uTube.]

    So folks make sure if you see this onion logo on any video clips DISREGARD IT AS TRASH PERIOD.

    To the other person. Thanks for the heads up.

    good work

    Daveyo

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  51. LOL :D Damn!!! LOL… oh well now I have to eat that humble pie I earlier mentioned and admit 100% gullibility… Im eating my pie now LOL ;)

    Thanks to Ultron for the clarrification, truth is always appreciated as are truthtellers, so thanks man. I took it as credible and hey it was fuckingly brilliantly acted and staged… had me totally fooled! What sealed it for me was its on the sight as per above mentioned run apparently by a credible medical surgeon who is one of the few individuals to have removed implants and chips from abductees and therefore has “evidence” of human/alien interaction… oh well folks… damn dissapointing but a relief as well to know maybe its not THAT extreme just yet.

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  52. Bastards! its hard to imagine people have nothing better to do than make up shit and get the rest of us more confused than ever. I hate fakers and I hate little wankers who make fake UFO videos as well… get a life you idiots! It makes finding the TRUTH so much the harder and suits shitty goverments down to a T. I think its time the aliens really made a show of it and make the evidence plain and obvious for all to see. Keep up the search good people.

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  53. Forgot to thank ULTRON, your awesome dude :) We need the TRUTH, even on the fake stuff, here’s to ya friend, CHEERS

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  54. just glad i could help :)

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  56. Answer to daveyo .That object in space could be the help (from PLEIADIENS )that been decoded(asci binary code) by maurice Osborne in the crop circle of england. they claim to come with a giagantisk special ship to protect earth magnetic field and make a show off to nasa ostrich.

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  57. Anybody following up with any NASA info about satellites or anything?
    Regarding overhead orbs, these sound like typical geo-synchronous satts
    used for observation and comms. The Alien force controlling the Orbs is
    probably the awakening Chinese Dragon people.

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  58. I don’t know what happened to the post by Harry, but I have a message never the less

    Harry, I take it you have never see UFO’s with your own two eye. I saw them for 6 solid freakin hours whereas most people get to see them for a few minutes or for a very short period of time.

    When you get to see them then make a holler over here OK

    Have a nice day

    Daveyo

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  59. Oh by the way Harry, I do have a life and I lost a very special family member a few days ago and my grief was great. But he is in peace now, but I know he is with me in spirit and in my heart forever always.

    His death was rapid in 6 days, never had the chance to save his life. I tried but they were only interested in MONEY, and that was the barrier between him and his life. I will never forgive the hospital ever and will hope that someday they suffer greatly.

    As of the UFO’s and of the Beacon/Spheres I see now 8 of them every night, I myself do not know what its purpose is, and why its planted there up in the sky. I am just like you wondering. I also never saw a UFO until November 20, 2010 and I was 57 at that time. The displays they gave here was awesome of how they moved and showed so many designs even star signs too. 4 of those ships hovered above my house here the entire time going up and down, and the ground around me was reddish/orange. Could not do anything as a video as mine was in the shop that night but got 3 pics as I ran out of film here. Everybody was closed that night.

    So what I saw its for real and until the day you see it then you will believe they do exist which is REALITY.

    The other questions of why, what and when etc., only they as we call them aliens can answer many of our questions.

    So at the moment I do not know if they are truly friend or foe, but I will exercise with extreme caution.

    The reason why they don’t drop down on top of your lap is because of FEAR, and this is what they don’t want to happen. They would prefer to approach us in a gentle and not fearsome way and to get us to accimilate to their presence and to give us time to be accustomed to their activities. As to what they will do next remains unknown and they will let us know in short order.

    I hope you also are aware that this planet is dying and its irreversible. Nothing any of us can do to stop it since we went beyond the tipping point of no return.

    Our only hope now is these aliens that they do get involved and execute the intervention process and put a stop to all of humanities bullshit.

    I have given you the answers to your post.

    Daveyo

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  60. So here is my warning to everybody be it the members or anyone else:

    If the aliens do the intervention process, I can guarantee to you that all the governments on this planet will be instructed to be dissolved, and all religions of various entities will be dissolved.

    Then they will issue out the orders for us to follow to correct our waywards ways. If not its bye bye to the objector.

    They will issue rules and I have a feeling it will be very fair for everyone on this planet but it will also be very bad for those who do not wish to comply. Basically what I am saying is our lives will turn upside down and it will be a totally new way of life.

    They (the aliens) will be not allow any existing government to make any demands or to negotiate or request as they the aliens have the upper hand and will be in full control. This includes the stock market and all the rich and those who profit tremendously at the expense of the people. Even the police will be dissolved and their corruted activities will come to a grinding halt. Same applies with the court system as they will institute their own.

    Just to give you a small example. Say you did something and think you got away with it and later you get caught. Ok Now when that person goes before the court controlled by the aliens, you will sit on the chair and they have a memory extract machine that can probe your brain and everyone will see the same scene the offender saw and did.

    It will have nothing to do with any pleading like finding lawyers, or discovery or appeals or suits of any kind. The offender will have only two choices. Either plea guilty or not guilty. If guilty they avoid that movie screen. If not guilty the offender will be judged based on that screen viewed by the aliens and they will render their verdict. If the accused is innocent based on the screens evidence then is set free right then and there, and the people prevail.

    How fast will this happen all in one day as a matter of fact within hours after being accused. There will be no delay or being put to jail. Instant and done. If guilty, they will be sent to probably a prison ship somewhere in space to serve their time. They will forfeit their rights to be on Planet Earth. If its really bad like multiple murders, and found guilty, such will be taken away and executed without delay.

    That is how fast a case will take place. Very quickly. Not months or years and all the other bullshit. All in one day folks.

    How old will these aliens be?? We don’t know, but if they tell you they are hundreds of thousands of years old believe them. They will have no reason to lie to you.

    If we have difficulty adapting and adjusting to their system and way of life, they will assist us.

    Again this all depends on their intervention and what happens after that etc., as a possible scenario. At the same token they might not do anything at all. We simply do not know. It can go either way.

    Daveyo

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  61. Just wondering Daveyo if you are a medium. You have some impressive claims and I hope you are right about how Earth would be handled in a govt change.

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  62. Actually Nick, what I do sometimes is put myself into the shoes of an alien, and try to see how they would look at us from their side of the perspective.

    That is if they know who and what we are and how we do things which I am pretty sure they know by now after so many many years watching us.

    I am merely only guessing and then again they might do something completely the opposite of what I guess. As I said I don’t know. but simply have a gut feeling of what they might do minimum if they are going to do the intervention.

    Now to all of you. Do you really need a government to dictate your life, to tell you what your kids need to learn, to tax your ass to death, to pay huge interest fees, to be forced to kill others when a politician decides to send you someplace, to be regulated by the stock market or pay huge prices so set by the retailers and companys make billions of dollars a year and don’t give a damn about you, etc and so forth. When a company makes billions a year and if the economy goes bad, they lay off people as a cost cutting measure to save expenditures per se by the investors to the company.

    Come on, we should have learned by now how to get along, but several obstacles stand in the way and one of them is religion which has been a thorn upon us for thousands of years. They have interfered in science advances involving medicine and some other issues. Then you got these drug cartels making billions of illegal money all because some bozo in the streets demand these drugs. Why are we fighting these cartels. If the people were to make it legal, let these individuals take the stuff cause it will eventually kill them and this drug shit will stop. The cartels will go broke.

    Netherlands to take heroin, cocaine and reefer plus others is legal as long as its done in designated bar houses where its sold. Once you leave that bar house the police are there to check you to make sure you not bring it outside. Inside you can take all the heroin you want for yourself to your hearts content or smoke your reefer. They don’t have a problem with that and I was there to see it myself.

    Here is the beauty of it. There is no illegal drugs in the Netherlands. In fact one person was so stoned at the McDonalds restaurant it was so hilarious watching how he placed his order. He stood there trying to think how to ask his order, then he says I will take a McDonald!!!! hehehehehehehe. Then he asks to have whiskey spread on his toast. So many people were laughing as well as I none of us cared how long it took for this person to place his order as it made our day.

    If he had done this in America the cops would have arrested him right away. The guy did no wrong but that is how America looks at it.

    Look at the price of oil now over 100 a barrel all because of Libya unrest. Who is making the most money here??? Give that some thought. The states tax you on fuel, the feds tax you on fuel, the oil companies tax you on fuel, and then more by making a profit per gallon of gas, and they keep rasing up your property taxes till you are forced to move or declare bankruptcy. Look at the medical costs today, and yet insurance companies are squeezing you of whats allowed medication wise so they can still turn huge profits.

    I would welcome the Aliens intervention to do away the horrible system we have today because people are getting sick and tired of being broke and in the poor house while the rich get richer.

    Anyway that is what I do and I hope its true that the aliens will be fair and throw our governments-police and military, stock markets and politicians and religious leaders into the garbage can permanently.

    Daveyo

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  63. to mat, why dont you just leave the guy alone now, enough is enough, saying that though you must secretly be interested in what he has to say otherwise you wouldnt bother reading his stuff. You are both acting like children. GROW UP FOR FUCK SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  64. yeah mat i know, i am already contemplating it myself………

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  65. i believe that anything is possible. im not so sure about alot of theories about 2012 or the newer one about may 21st 2011 being the day jesus comes back or whatever. but i have read alot about an earthquake on the newmadrid fault line in the us. (which is where i live) so that tends to worry me some. i do find it very interesting reading up on everything such as the 2012 theories and other similar predictions because it does open up my mind to all kinds of events that could take place over the next couple of years be it the end of the word, alien attacks,solar flares or anything. i dont see how anyone could want to kill themselves. (just in general but escpecially over the next couple of years just to see what happens. even if it is worse case and we are being used as slaves or tortured i still cant wait to see what happens. just to be able to witness the upcoming events or being able to witness the hysteria and maybe no event. its thrilling to me. what do you think is going to happen mat?

    oh and btw Pegasus and believer – i now have an app on my phone that lets me listen to some nice radio stations and one i listened to today is the same guy that runs that site alien scalpel where you saw the video. he updated it to say things about posting it if you 2 would like to read it.

    bye for now.
    _U_

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  66. mat, i had an experience or 3 when i was 10, and when i was 14, and recently at 35, i have rh neg blood, i am pagan, well was!!!but recently my beliefs have changed, i have only been interested in this shit for about 2 months,and i hope to gaia its shit!!! and i am scared!!another nut job????maybe i am…………

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    • To Miss Hex

      I have been watching what you are posting. Everyone has the right to be scared, and we all are no doubt about it. The way things are going now is the time for you to get a grip of yourself and face reality that the UFO’s are for real and eventually they will tell us one way or another of the reasons why, when, what, where and how etc. In the meantime they are appearing all over the globe in great numbers. At the same token this planet is heaving and puffing its last breath as you can see whats being reported by the media. BP oil destroyed the pacemaker of this planet known as the North Atlantic Conveyor belt with their huge mega oil spill. The Gulf below Texas is all but DEAD. NO CIRCULATION NOW. Its just sitting standing water.

      Those who want to end their lives have a weak mind and cannot be helped and if they want to do it, then so be it. Not my problem. I don’t think you have such a weak mind and you have a strong head on your shoulders. So forget that idea coming that some person who instituted such crap into your head OK.

      None of us know what the Aliens will do, and or how the final end will be or when they will make their grand entrance. The human idiots put a date as for some reason humans love dates.

      This is what reality is> The earth is dying courtesy of the rich and powerful and the governments around the world. The economics around the world is on shaky ground. Many people of various countries and states are beginning to demonstrate and are getting fed up with the BS. The Aliens are appearing to everyone DAILY and NITELY all around the globe. I myself saw them for 6 solid hours in Thailand, and had 4 of them hover above my house, and they are frickin huge about 2 miles diameter minimum. NASA has pictures of the aliens ships which one of them was measured to be approximately 75,000 miles long equivalent to 3 earths side by side, and approximately 5,000 miles high. We don’t know the width of it yet. WE also saw this same ship make a 90 degree turn in approximately 10 minutes later on another snapshot. This ship is at around near our SUN. We also have seen other ships moving about around the sun as well.

      NASA even took movies showing these aliens moving about in space and one of them fired a laser at another spaceship and it made a right turn so fast and how we saw how fast it took off.

      The aliens appeared over the Temple Mount right smack dab where the former Jewish Temple once stood 2,000 years ago, not over the Dome and not over the Mosque and parked itself there, and a flash took place and it shot up into the sky defying all known physics that humans know of today.

      Human physics is one thing and the aliens physics is another thing. Their intelligence is way above and beyond our own intelligence.

      There are people who don’t believe in this, and refuse to accept it and call it crap and are more concerned about people who become scared enough to commit suicide and want to instill the idea that UFO’s don’t exist. Not my problem or your problem its their problem. What I saw for 6 solid hours is more than enough to verify to each and everyone of you that they exist, and today I see 8 beacon/spheres parked in position in the sky every nite doing starmode and precisely according to our magnetic compass.

      These things are for real Miss Hex and not a joke. They are appearing more than ever for a very good reason. So you ask me what reason it will be. I simply don’t know the answer, but I will tell you this much. I am glad they are doing this, I am glad that they finally will hopefully do away all of earthly bullshit. I also hope that they have the ability and the know how to save this planet whatever demise its facing.

      As to saving humans I cannot tell you. None of us know if they will. If they do such a thing> I can assure you that they will not save 7 billion on this planet. Since they don’t know who and what we are each one of us, since they don’t know our true intents and desires etc., I can say by gut feeling that they will not choose our present governments, politicians or military or religious zealots or power house people. Those individuals will not be saved. They have no use for them since they speak with a fork tongue. If they are going to do it Miss Hex, it will be quite fair and impartial and that is by DNA and our Genetics and our immune systems with the capability to rebuild human race.

      You and I nor anyone will have any say so on this matter. If this takes place its estimated only about 2.2 to 2.5 billion will be saved out of 7 billion on this planet.

      Another thing is by 2030 it is projected to have 9 billion here. This planet cannot and will not sustain itself to take care of 9 billion the way we are going at the pace it is now.

      Something has to give. Pure and simple.

      So you are 35 years old. You do have a good chance to be one of them should they execute this particular phase depending on your family’s genetic and DNA line. So hang in there and HAVE FAITH TOWARDS THE ALIENS and you might be one of the lucky ones. As for me I not worry but hope myself as well but at my age I wonder if I will make that cut.

      Good Luck Miss Hex and stay tuned and USE YOUR HEAD and do some planning to protect yourself should things become worse in the near future. Just keep in mind I do not know what the Aliens will do between now and then but can only speculate the possibilities and try to place yourself on how the aliens are looking at us overall. They too have to make some very tough decisions.

      Daveyo

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      • I understand what u are all saying, and I have not got the balls to kill myself daveyo, i have two kids to look after, i wont leave them in a shitty world to defend for themselves. Its just my brain is in over drive lately, and i am just scared, and i do believe they are out there now (aliens).

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      • p.s i have a disaster plan in place already, and have a survival kit..i just hope i will never need it..

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  67. Matt you need a reality check, ive said it before and ill say it again, there are occurances happening all over the world right now, they are stragne never before seen occurances, im talking weather and earth movement, in NZ here christchurch has been totalled after new faultlines have opened up. Australias drought has broken and it now sports inland seas, also it is being bombarded by three times as many cyclones as it would bear witness to on an annuaal level. All over the world stuff is changing rapidly, now i dont care if you sport some piece of paper that says your a NASA frat boy, i dont really care about it, the fact of the matter is something, is going down and the aliens may have nothing to do with it. It may take another 100years for something to happen, you seem to be a very closed minded and closed eyed person matt, i mean hell im 18 and i seem to know more than you do, hell im in the process of completeing my mechanical engineering course. If youd just stop taking in the media telling everyone that the most important thing to waorry about is katy perry’s new album and actually got off your arse and did some proper research youd find out what is goin on right now.

    Oh and by the way ive almost completed my document which explains many many of the occurances going on at the moment and im soon to publish it on this site for all to read and get a better understanding of the comming and past events.

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  68. To Miss Hex

    Here is where the tough decision comes into play. Its not easy either.

    Say you are the one that was selected and is supposed to be saved but not your kids?? What do you do???

    Say I am selected but I have my beloved dogs here to take care and to feed them and to love them??? What do I do???

    For me I would be honored to have been selected, but if that happens, I would refuse to accept being saved. Why I want my dogs with me and do not want to leave them behind. I have no one to care for them, especially my dog named Tiger who I will never leave her for any reason at all.

    But if they take me and my dogs, then its OK. I have no problem with that.

    I also believe if your kids were selected but not you, I am sure you would probably not allow that to happen and or again you might do that to give your kids a chance to begin in a new world and sacrifice your life for them.

    There will be many scenarios and many possible situations that can develop.

    That is why I said before the Aliens obviously will have to make some very tough choices and decisions of what they want and are going to do besides displaying themselves in the sky.

    I just wanted to bring this up so people can understand this is really serious and its not a joke either.

    Good luck

    Daveyo

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  69. Please don’t hide the truth, for the sake of all mankind.We all have the right to know whats the truth. it can be prevented through ONE ACCORD PRAYER! with God nothing is impossible……

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  70. Andy just to touch a little base here. The God you speak of has requested all of us to change our ways. We have not changed our ways the past 2,000 years and in fact have gotten worse. Most humans worship IDOLS. This includes the Universe, statues of various makes, Magicians, and worship and pray using FALSE RELIGION. He tried to tell us that but none have listened. So what do you expect Him to do?????

    Now you tell me what good reason He would have to save mankind??? He has made some simple requests and one of them was to not destroy His creation and to behave ourselves and we have totally ignored it and is raping our resources to no end in sight, and we have not changed our attitudes nor has made any effort at all.

    Since the Jews themselves KILLED HIM, He basically got even, denied them the right to have their temple and denied them the right to worship on the mount and can only pray looking at a wall. That is why He said no stone will be left standing for them. Basically He said Bye Bye.

    He is not going to save us from a Asteroid hit, He is not going to stop the sun from doing what it is going to do, He is not going to stop the earths crust displacement, He is not going to stop the pole shift, and last of all He is not going to alter this mysterious Nibiru if it exists.

    That is the bottom line OK. So all the praying believe it or not is not going to save you, and its going to fall on deaf ears so to speak. He will hear the pleas but He will not intercede unless as He stated to all, only and if and when mankind is on the verge of total annilation and such is guaranteed beyond any doubt. This means to say we ALL would be on the verge of being totally wiped out.

    Then He might step in out of mercy towards us because He stated such and must honor it like it or not. Otherwise, HIS answer is NO!!!!!!!!

    That is the point. So its up to us to figure the way and find the way to survive within our own means period. If not, then you will find yourself facing death square right between the eyes. OK

    Have a good day

    Daveyo

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  71. Who ever wrote this article is an idiot 100% sure in that. He basically copied some of the true data from another websites and added his bullshit to the article which makes it complete bullshit. Stupid moron, shame there are stupid idiots like there!

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  72. Hi Kristiyan

    Care to elaborate on your comment a bit better? I would like to know more what you consider is BS.

    Thanks

    Daveyo

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  74. I’m just wondering where all this information comes from? It seems like there is some truth in here, mixed with some giant leaps of faith. Where are the facts? the references for this article are mostly blogs. Can anyone point me toward any factual data?

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    • Nikki

      I personally dont support the theory on nibiru, i do believe in the ‘dark planets’ that emit no light and therefore are unseen by our telescopes, but i dont believe that one 4x the size of jupiter has been undiscovered or overlooked, surely there wouldnt be any need to conceal the existance of annother planeet in our solar system. This is why, in my opinion, there is no true evidence, becasue if there was more people would have seen it, honestly i think this is a fiasco really, true that plutos eliptical orbit pertains to the ideal thaat there are dark planets, BIG ones, outside our current knowledge of our solar system, but i dont believe the people who rant and rave that the government wants it to stay secret.

      If it really exists, and it is under wraps, theen we have to ask the question of what it really is? what are they trying to hide?

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  75. We humans are not capable of understanding that Life as we know it can end at anytime, thats why the Government Lies its ass off to us all the time

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  76. I agree but somehow the people don’t want to kick out those in power and lets them stay so they can continue to get more lies thrown at their faces.

    If the people all got together and did a massive protest and refuse to pay the government any more tax money both to the state and to the Federal side, then and only then will something be done to remove all that are in power and force them to resign in disgrace.

    Daveyo

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  77. I agree but somehow the people don’t want to kick out those in power and lets them stay so they can continue to get more lies thrown at their faces.

    If the people all got together and did a massive protest and refuse to pay the government any more tax money both to the state and to the Federal side, then and only then will something be done to remove all that are in power and force them to resign in disgrace.

    In the meantime there is not much a single or just a few revolutionaries can do but twiddle their thumbs.

    Daveyo

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  78. The only ufo’s there are are flown by –demons or fallen angels–and GODS ANGELS THE GOOD ONES FLY THEM ALSO. The Good Angels will come for GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE–THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH–but satans fallen angels will not help you. They hate humans and they want to kill all of them and destroy the earth. They are trying to accomplish that right now. The earth will be hit–billions will die–but JESUS CHRIST will stop satan before he fulfills his goal. UNLESS YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THE FREE PARDON THAT JESUS BOUGHT FOR YOU AT CALVERY YOU HAVE A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM. Where you and your family spend eternity is up to you. I preach the word and you make the decision. It is that simple. MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. I AM PRAYING FOR ALL OF YOU.

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  79. This is all quite interesting, that this thing exists but not a peep is heard from the news media. I’ve seen some charts depicting its course and trajectory, distance from the earth at various dates, the missing chunk of data at Google Sky, and all the talk about pole shifts-Earthquakes, etc. A very interesting thing is that the quakes did happen in NZ and Japan at about the right time to have been caused by this thing-gravitational effects I assume. Then to read some suppositions about possible Earthquake effects on the New Madrid fault in the U.S. was interesting. But the MOST interesting thing (I thought) was that FEMA is actually performing a National disaster scale drill in May of this year, with the scenario being a large Earthquake at the New Madrid fault. That is peculiar to say the least. Weird weather, dead birds, UFOs, Nibiru talk, Wormwood comparisons; it’s pretty unnerving actually. This may in fact be something to worry about. Nah.

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    • Iron Mike

      Yea I agree all of it very interesting, and chuckled a bit when you said Nah being the last word on your post. hehehehehehehehehehe.

      But don’t forget Charlie said it first live at Yellowstone via radio transmission, heheheheheheehehehhe. Remember that movie 2012. I personally don’t trust FEMA being Federal Emergency Management Agency. They activated this agency regarding Katrina, and put people in home loaded with asbestos and radiation!!!!! They are not out to really save you and give you a head start financially either. All the money they got they pocketed themselves and left the people to fend for themselves. Their primary purpose is to gather as many as they can to maintain control over them and make the people work their asses off and still collect taxes and will make your life as miserable as possible.

      If I am in a jam or in trouble due to a natural disaster and survive it, I hope some good people will come and get me out of it, and once out I will thank them and then leave and not depend on them or join the groups. They have other things to worry about besides dealing with me. I can survive on my own. I don’t want and will not want any part of FEMA.

      But to worry, >>>>> Nah, hehehehehehehehehheeee.

      Daveyo

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  80. To Harley Hooch

    You speak of no logic here, and I will say this only one time. Angelic Beings whether good or bad do not need spaceships to travel to and from even in outer space. Why because you claim these to to be immortal. They don’t need food or water and also cannot DIE!!!!! Also these ALIEN ships being in material form that we can see, are not some invisible entity and they have nothing to do with man made religion, ideals or theology.

    So cut the bullshit, and save your breath, and keep the ideology of your thinking regarding religion to yourself and speak only of scientific means and reality means here on this forum. You are allowed to preach at any religious gathering but not preach here on this forum. It bothers many people having to read this kind of bullshit.

    Fair enough. GOOD.

    Have a nice day

    Daveyo

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    • Wow. I read your scathing response about religious ideas presented in this forum. Please. Aliens? UFOs? They’re OK but religious responses-absolutely not. Did you by chance peruse the topics list and did you note the religious aspect to many of them? Things in this world are not as they seem. We can probably both (all) agree on that. How you might have an open mind only to those things which you are willing to believe but not to things which you may not understand only shows how closed minded you are. You don’t have to believe yourself, but don’t discard these things out of hand without even investigating. This world is not as it seems.

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  81. I have to say though, from the perspective of one who watches things in the world through a conspiracy theory lens, this is right on queue. Wormwood? Is anyone familiar with Ezekiel 38? The uproar in the nations of the mideast currently underway involves most on the list of those who will invade. That invasion hasnot yet happened but could be imminent. Israel was propped up and put in place by the very people who now appear to be disowning her. Economic chaos is just around the bend, far worse than our present circumstance. It is rumored that the Palestinians will declare unilaterally a separate state this year in September, unless Obama can sneak in a peace deal by that time. Did anyone ever wonder why they always shoot for September? Carter, Clinton, Bush, Obama. They all wanted to be the “man”. Things are really heating up in terms of Israel and the middle east. I would not be surprised if a deal does happen, and that it would be accompanied by severe natural disasters as well as an economic disaster. Once they divide God’s land and attempt to destroy His people again, the proverbial poop will hit the fan. This has been festering for many years, like a giant boil. The ruler who has been waiting in the wings, has all manner of tricks up his sleeve in order to accomplish his goal against his foes. The earth will even fight against Him until the Almighty ends the whole charade. We have front row seats.

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  82. Sorry about the last post, if anyone is offended. Anyway, is this things were a comet I would expect it to have low density and mass, hardly enough to have several moons in tow, if that is the case. If its size is much larger than Jupiter, and if it has some significant mass, it sure will exert a gravitational force against other planets. I did read somewhere that at its closest point to Earth it will be somewhere around 0.3 AU or less? I am not certain about the exact number but fairly low. It would seem that given the sensitive nature of our Earth’s crust and tectonic plates that a massive planet moving at such a close distance might do some damage. Action begets reaction. How could it not wreak some havoc upon the structure of the Earth? It seems that the reported pole shift caused by the Japan quake might just as easily have been caused by this thing, as well as the quake itself. Still cannot explain away the ironic coincidence of the FEMA drill. Go to the FEMA site and read for yourself. Too weird.

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  83. I dont know much about astronomy but I sure am interested. I just wanted to say that the asteroid belt is orbiting around our sun just like earth and the rest of the planets. I think that the asteroid belt was once a planet and during one of Nibiru’s passes through our solar system, it wiped that planet out creating the asteroid belt. Im thinking that its the same with rings orbiting other planets such as Saturn. I always wondered how those rings were created. Anyone have the answer or ideas on this.

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  84. Bupsook

    The rings of saturn were formed when one of its moons (or possibly several) came to close to the planets gravity field and collided with the surface vapourising them, after the first rings formed several other moons were torn to shreds by the constant bombardment of space rock and ice. Also the ateroid belt is theorised to be either the remains of an un formed planet, one that didnt have enough matter to become a stable planet like the rest in our solar system, or it the remaining original matter from when the solar system first began to form.

    so in theory your nibiru idea could be a possible link but it is unlikey as two planets colliding would scar both of the planets significantly, this has been viewed on the surface of mars, 1/3 of mars surface is not rounded and looks as if a large object had scrpaed the top layer off the planets surface, it is not known what happened to it but it is theorised that it came into contact with a planet sized meteor which may be on 1000000 year + cycle or it came into contact with a planet in an eliptical loop. It is known that mars was once able to support water above ground and could possible have also supported complex life, however at some point something crashed into its surface and destroyed its magnetic field rendering it helpless as it was bathed in soalr radiation.

    Hope that answers your Q

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  85. Hold it a bit there. I was not aware that 1/3rd of Mars top hat got scraped off!!! This I do know that the core of the planet cooled off significantly thus the tectonic plates solidified and it locked up. The core is now almost gone and almost solid iron. Mars does have a small gravitational pull left which is keeping a thin layer of air around the planet but its too thin for humans to maintain any breathing for long. The only way to get Mars back up and running is to heat up the core and get it going again and once the core gets going then the magma will begin to rise back to the surface and the tectonic plates will begin to move about and function just like Earth is now. So if one were to ask how it can be done, there might be several ways. One is to use nuclear thermo warheads planted just above the iron itself, and you will need quite a few of them . The other is a super laser beam to hit the iron and heat it up. Like when someone decides to torch steal. Same thing.

    It will be easier to do Mars than to try to see how earths core is.

    It is also theorized that Earth at one time had a planetary collision resulting the moon we see today.

    You have to remember when Earth was formed, it was like a ping pong ball during that time period and everything was so very young and bouncing all around. The moon itself is testimony to all the hits it has taken over eons of years. Look at Mercury and Venus, and we also seen ourselves the impacts Jupiter recently took not long ago. 9 direct hits.

    Daveyo

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  86. Daveyo

    Yes mars still has pockets of a magnetic field but these are only indications of magnetite collection, and also yes it has stable oxygen in small amounts, however the iron oxide in the air and CO2 released from the polar caps would greatly inhibit any reclamation effort, what you have to understand also with your heting the core idea, the earths atmosphere took 200000 years to dissapate the CO2 that was created when the planet first formed, now mars is smaller so the time would be a few thousand years less, but the difference is that on earth we had baterium and algaes to process the toxins from the atmosphere, whatever animals, and baterium that did exist on mars are most likely underground now, too deep to help the surface or have died from bombarding solar radiation, to help we would have to terraform the planet and have huge machines making oxygen to breath as the planet couldnt filter it all on its own anymore. Mars is a picture of what will eventually happen to the earth if we abuse the ozone layer any longer, in short well fry. Also in erference to the planetary collision defacing 1/3rd of mars, the iron oxide that makes the planet red today was not always in the atmosphere indicating that some large iron rock must have hit and signialled the death of the planet and the iron oxide that exists upon it today is most likely the oxide of the iron ateroid that hit it millena ago.

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  87. Wasn’t the asteroid belt formed when Nibiru once collided with then planet, Tiamat, hence shifting the gourged Tiamat to a new path around the Sun and given a new name Earth?
    The asteriod belt consisted of the loose broken pieces of Tiamat now within Mars and Jupiter. The gourged part of Tiamat was where the waters of the land collected to form the Pacific basin.

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    • The pacific basin was carved and sculpted by the rushing water that first filled the cracks createdd by plate movement, over the course of roughly 3.5billion years the water collected in ever lager amounts carrying with it minerals that it scoured from rocks thus making the seas salty, The pacific was not formed from a collision, it was a basin that was carved by water and tectonic movement, I for one dont believe that our planet was knocked into our present orbit. all the currently remaining planets in our solar system have maintained steady gravitational orbits and there have been no signs in soil smaples etc to indicate that our planet was impacted by another planet, of course everything is up to conjecture as no one really knows what happened to the lanet during its development, before soildification.

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  88. Hello to you all. New here so please bear with me. I am no science buff, so I will take your word as to what is happening out there. But what is blowing my mind right now is the wealth of information I have stumbled into these last two weeks while I have been out of work (including this site). I am one who pays attention to what is happening around the world as it pertains to natural disasters, aliens and the like. I stumbled onto a site “hidden meanings”. The author quotes the bible and shows you the bible is talking about aliens, word for word sometimes. With everything I have read here and elsewhere I choose to believe they are here to help us. Please check out the site, go to middle of it (the wine cellar) and check out the following- photons, obama, bible, aliens and meditation. A lot there, will take you a while. Would love some feed back. In the meantime, keep up the great work and collectively, lets try to put positive thoughts out to mother earth, for whatever is coming our way.

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  89. Well in regards to mother Earth, I did check into our Oil Supply. Believe it or not based on our current consumption rate, and on the proven reserves, we have enough OIL to last another 10,000 years.

    If its now 100 dollars a barrel, can you imagine what the cost of Oil per barrel will be 10,000 years from now??? especially when the reserves begin to dry up.

    Daveyo

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  90. We have about 1.3 trillion barrels of proven reserves. We are producing/consuming about 64 million barrels a year.

    The rest you can figure it out.

    Daveyo

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  91. Juancho de Pablo

    Has anybody stopped for a second to think that, this is not a planet, nor a “inteligently” controlled “comet” (for starters how can a natural being, be controlled artificially?

    ASK YOURSELF: Could this actually be a MASSIVE spacecraft that is not concievable in our imaginations? An alien civilization that is EONS away from us and is capable of building a craft that can soar through the whole universe.

    I don’t believe this is a planet. I believe it’s the alien race that genetically created what we know as Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and every 3,800 years they come around for a scientific check-up on their artificial civilization experiment.

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  92. Juancho de Pablo

    BTW people. Just reading all this controversy about religion and science and answers. I am Spanish and have a firm faith in Islam (and no, I am not Arab or whatsoever). When you want to try to find ANY kind of answers related with religion and science; I believe the answer is WITHIN everyone of you. Connect with your spiritual side, because that is where God really resides in. Disconnect from every external influence and make conclusions based on what your senses and your rationality tells you.

    the whole problem with society is that we have slowly been mentally conditioned to disconnect for our spiritual side. So every time we see ourselves in dead-end situations (like this global concern with TYCHE), we will run to an external source rather than before trying to make an independant conclusion ourselves.

    What does this mean? That every time we encounter a problem, we tend to blame or accuse the one besides rather than looking into our own, personal problems.

    This in the end is what the social elite wants us to do. They want us to virally transmit something that we think WE have concluded ourselves but it is actually an idea that has been slowly imposed in our brains throughout our life by those up there, moving the strings.

    NEVER FORGET THAT THE UTTER-MOST IMPORTANT IDEA IS “YOU”; EVERYTHING EXTERNAL IS UNNECESSARY. THE ANSWER IS WITHIN AND NOT WITHOUT.

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  93. Well, lets see, hmm, I think they are already here pablo, as they have been saying hello to us for the past year. Did you bother to ever take a look up in the sky???? or see on SOHO of a ship about 75k miles long parked around our Sun??? and can do a 90 degree turn inside less than 15 minutes from one frame to the next.

    There is no such thing as Nibiru. It would make no sense for them to wait 3,800 years cycles to see how we humans are doing except for them to shake their heads at all of the stupid things we do ehhhh and marvel at their creative works developing it out of Africa someplace, as they seem to say we appear from originally.

    Daveyo

    Have a good day my friend

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  94. Pablo

    What a very well thought out concept. Definitely worth giving it some deep soul searching. What happens within is expressed on what happens outwards. By the way who told you about this intellectual theory?

    Very interested

    Daveyo

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  95. I was born in 1980, watched america evolve from the atari to the ps3. Why is it that we have advanced so rapidly in the last few years compared to the hundreds of years of not knowing jack? The computer chips just keep getting smaller and more efficiently advanced. Interestingly awesome.This planet has so many stories/beliefs/scenerio’s that we acknowledge and show interest. We are the movie, or video game, being produced, directed, and managed. Broadcasting ourselves to the whole universe via google. I may sound pointless but I wont hold back my theory’s no matter how crazy they sound.

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  96. i hate where i live lol, can never take a proper good look in the sky, always filled with clouds and even when there is a clear sky the street lights stop me seeing everything, the stars are very faint, but i have researched alot about 2012 and nibiru or tyche what ever its people want to call it, i do believe something is coming in 2012 because to many ancient civilizations warn us of 2012 civilizations that never where in contact with one another so had no way of spreading by word of mouth, to many to be coincidence, most of there warnings were lost, so the full story cant be told, but bits from each civilization tells alot, sumerians talk of nibiru which i have a feeling is true i think nibiru is whats going to cause all kinds of trouble not jus on earth but the whole solar system, will be worst for earth as we are the only planet in our system that supports life…on daveyo saying about aliens i believe him and i believe that not everyone who sees ufos can be lying, i have a feeling the sumerians were right on a race of aliens called the anunnaki from this on coming planet come here, people have said why would they wait till earths being destroyed to visit well simple, they can only visit when they are such a distance away and they come before things get really crazy here to collect what they can and leave before the shit really hits the fan here. possibly save as many people as they can for alls we know they could look just like we do maybe slightly different they could of been a race who dabbled with dna and messed around with it, like we do now just they are more advanced than we are.

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  97. Varakienen

    We did have a means to measure the ship. Courtesy of SOHO. Secondly a spaceship that long will not affect other planets or cause problems because it is internally control with their own magnetic fields and have different power systems that run the ship.

    Your mind is small as you do not see the other side of what the advance race known as Aliens are capable of doing let alone create.

    We already know they can travel 38 light years in 90 days. Courtesy of ET before he died.

    I read the rest of your post and its not worth my time to respond to the BS. If you not believe that is fine with me, but don’t say something without proof. I will not make such a post unless I doubled checked the figures and had it measured myself.

    Also a comet or asteroid or even a frickin planet cannot make a 90 degree turn in less than 10 minutes. We do have that data and proof. Even the sheer size of that ship it did a full 90 degree turn in less than 10 minutes. That alone is what convinced us that its a alien ship and nothing else.

    Make sure you eat your wheaties first OK

    Daveyo

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  98. to Daveyo.
    WOW, I’m dealing with an Idiot, OR a 9 year old.
    First Soho didnt provide you with any thing. Dont make shit up and put it out like its fact, it reduces your credibility which is hovering around calvin already.
    It takes 2 to 3 known measurable reference points to make accurate measurements, and you Didnt have them, and they werent in any way provided for you, so cut the horse crap.
    Next, YOU have No idea if they are, or are Not, capable of producing magnetic fields on a scale that could keep an odd shapped ship from collapsing in on it self due to its own mass.
    the power needed would be enormouse to say the least.
    so, here is the logic, which you your self dont seem to posess:
    weather they have such power or not isnt relivant at all, they do have the intelligence to know that such power isnt nessessary if they just change the shape of the craft to a sphere like nature does, less power would be needed and not wasted uselessly on an inefficient design.

    Now, you seemed to comment on my belief as to weather it WAS an alien ship or not, and concluded that I am a none believer.
    maybe you should take the time to read before you post, as I never said any such thing.
    I suspect you neglect to read a lot of materiel before you run your mouth off, here or in scientific terms.
    I said that i DO suspect it was an alien craft recoreded.
    I have No problem with believing.
    What I do have a problem with is your inability to do math or logic equasions and your small minded attempts to fill in the blanks with out a leg to stand on what so ever.
    thus my use of the former word Ludicrous.
    So, to recap.
    You have nothing but your imagination based on data that you have “not” gone thoroughly over. (certainly not thoroughly enough)
    You inability to comment on the orbit of both earth and Nibiru and the notion that it wont be impacting earth directly, just shows that I nailed you with a fact that you have no leg to stand on to dispute.
    You make crap up as you go along, and try to sell it as if it were science.
    AND, I am a believer in aliens, Nibiru, Myan prophecy, and the shit thats going to happen in 2012 and 2013.
    I hope that we have now cleared that up.
    I look forward to your Next poorly thought out half assed rebuttle.
    Sincerely ~ Varakienen.

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  99. PS: In case you missed that, I am goading you to, and waiting for you to, volunteer the other known measurable reference points that were used in the film to measure size.
    as we have already established that the sun alone is inconclusive. ;)

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  100. You don’t have to goad me asshole. This is how stupid you are OK. Secondly SOHO did provide me the referance to the sizes of objects that we see from the SOHO picture shots. So why don’t you go get fucked- OK.

    I don’t believe in fuckin Nibiru, and also don’t believe in half the crap that comes out of YouTube. I myself saw the aliens for 6 fuckin hours right on top of my house brother, and all around the sky as far as I can see over 200 plus.

    They spoke of them coming from Pluto and a few other areas, and really SOHO gave us a picture perfect view of their existence and there was not just one ship there. They had quite a few of them. They were also spotted around the moon which by the way is as close as you can get short of a NASA video shot showing them out in space and also showing them using lasers and another taking off like a bat out of hell doing a 90 degree flip in a micro second. Last of all the Jerusalem incident is by far the best evidence that anyone can see of what they are capable of doing SPEED WISE.
    Now you speak of mass and it collapsing etc vs all the human bullshit you can come up with OK. Alien technology is totally different, and I don’t care how you slice the cake MF, our own physics and knowledge is totally primitive to the alien knowledge.

    Right now I see every night the beacons still in the same postition since December 18th 2010 when I first spotted them after the aliens paid us a visit.

    Aliens have their own gravitational fields, have their own totally different power source with unlimited power, have their own capability to go 200 times the speed of light. That is right. They are known and capable to go 38 light years in 90 days.

    I have done my work and my math, and you have done nothing but yip yap and talk like a woman in labor and trying to get me to give you your worst nightmare. I will if you keep it up giving me your kind of bullshit.

    You are entitled to your opinion but when you start inserting labels and trying to insult others as you have started with me here now, I take notice of it quite literally. You of all people owe me an apology and you have to earn your respect here and not come in here and strut your flappin mouth and flipping your feathers giving bullshit and spitting on people.

    Have a good day.

    Daveyo

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  101. there is no need for insults on here. we are all here because we either enjoy reading some of the articles or believe in what these post say. i have seen daveyo post many times here and so he should be shown some respect atleast. if you do not agree with him or anyone else on here you have every right to refute what they saw or disagree but not to bash or name call. that is all i have to say for the time being… just wanted to put my 2 cents in on that. i cant believe this comment thread is still going this strong.

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  102. Thanks ultron. Yea I’m still surprise that this post is still going strong. hehehehehehehehe. Good substance in it I suppose.

    Will wait for Vara’s next comment. tsk tsk.

    Daveyo

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  103. no need for thanks. ive been a fan of your post for a while now. you and luke are 2 of my favorite posters. i hardly ever post because anything i even start to think about you 2 beat me to it. just wanted to say keep up the good work and dont let people that just want to bash you get you down. know that you have alot of people on here that appreciate everything you post. so thank you

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  104. @VARA

    are you thick in the head?

    if so let me spell out what we do here, it is a little known term called SPECULATION, scientists and engineers alike use SPECULATION to explain or come up with ideas to explain unknowns around them, how do you think issac newton came up with his three laws? he SPECULATED the existence of an invisible force that is governed by the rotaion of the planet. All throughout time humans have SPECULATED on the probable causes and definitions of everything we take for granted today, gravity, electricity, energy and matter itself was, at first, SPECULATED to exist.

    Now if we were all stuck in your logical, yet illogical thinking mind set where nothing can be SPECULATED unless it has scientific backing, our world would not nearly be as advanced as we are today, Geniuses need to be imaginative and strecth the boundaries of the known factors to make true, NEW discoveries. Also how can you say that scientists dont support SPECULATION and new theories, how many astronomists believe in dark matter, but cant prove it. How many biologists believe there are still new plants and animals to be found, but cant prove it.

    Varakienen, your sort of closed minded thinking is what is rotting the future generations and their creativity, people like you are the ones that have a kid come up to them with an idea for a new engine or plane design but debunk them telling them it will get them no where and they should just focus on getting a menial job. Ive come up against people with your mindset before.

    heres a little of my backstory: when i was 17 my parents encouraged me to leave school and get an appreticship, i was an A and B grade student through physics, maths and Graphical design, i came up with ideas of things to build tanks, buildings, cars, gadgets, things that would make this planet a better place for the future generations, but they never supported me. I stayed and finished high school, I came out of there and left home to study Mechanical engineering, ive had to pay for everything for myself, they dont spare a bloody cent on me because im not doing what they want me to do, But so far ive been in contact with the three largest mechanical firms around the university and they have all offered me positions and ive also been apprroached for military deisgn in america, one of my tutors told me that im one of only 4 people she has ever seen that can invent, problem solve and design all in one, now i feel like ive just given my unsupportive family the middle finger. People like you are the ones that hold people like me back, but people like me are driven to succeed so that we can just shove it back in your face, and we ALWAYS come out better in the end. BTW im only 19…

    Luke

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  105. LUKE.
    I’ll have to assume that every thing you said about me is purely SPECULATION, as you dont know a thing about me mate.
    I can only advise that like your fellow Daveyo, that you should get more facts “Before” you SPECULATE. Coodo’z on your Idea’s I hope they work out for you, as I am not one to ever hold some one back on a good or even Radical Idea.

    ULTRON.
    You are correct. I owe this board and Daveyo an apology for “My side” of allowing this conversation to degenerate into name calling and the like. Thats not usually like me. Im still good with the word ludicrous mind you, but I retract comments like Moron and 9 yr old.

    Daveyo, you have Not provided any evidence that can be confirmed by others. Such as, the reference points that SOHO aledgedly gave you to make proper measurements.
    I dont understand why you feel you need to reference things like the Jeruselam video, (excluding number 3 as it was a fake. and only 1,2,and 4 are credible.) as the speed of ships was never in contestation.

    My problem with you is that you do NOT present your notions as if they are SPECULATION. You present them as if they are proven facts.
    example:
    Notions like 200 times the speed of light which goes against the laws of PROVEN physics. You see, there is a point where matter breaks down as does energy fields that might protect them where speed is concerned. It goes along the theories that when you reach a certain speed you actually begin to go backwards in time. ask Einstien, he’ll tell ya all about it.
    Now, I am Not suggesting they cannot move at confounding speeds as much as double or tripple light speed. I believe they can.
    I am saying how ever that they more than likely use string theory mechanics and quantum physics to navigate worm holes and folded space. this will get them from point A to point be in even Less time than your 200 times light speed will.
    As for your showing me nightmares, having had encounters of my own which i will never again discuss publicly, I await your worst mate.
    BUT, If you want to present me with any thing…any thing at All, please do Not propose it as if it is fact and proven. Instead, provide links for us to make our Own SPECULATIONS on, and detail us with your thinking based on the evidense that shows us How you may have come to such SPECULATIVE conclusions as you have.
    I eagerly await your evidences, horror stories, links, and data which you have to date Failed to provide.

    PS: when you described how Nibiru may be on a collision course with earth based on its lack of movement on seperate readings, …THAT was a reasonable means of an argument or debate. I aplaud that kind of discourse. I was Glad to point out the flaws in that thinking how ever and show you the errors in such a calulation. And You have my apology for my doing so in any way that was Less than manorly.
    I wonder… can I expect an apology from you on your part in this?

    In closing. please provide the details, links and data requested so that we may all come to the same SPECULATION that you have.
    Thank you , sincerely:
    ~ Grant Moon. aka VARAKIENEN.
    Freelance commercial artist and writer. (and believer)
    Science and para-science, and paranormal enthusiest.
    Calgary Alberta Canada.

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  106. Vara

    For Gawd sakes, you want evidence. Ok here is what I did doing my homework. If it takes 90 days to cover a distance of 38 light years how fast is the spaceship going. Now how far does this spaceship go in one hour?

    Secondly I called SOHO personally myself and was given the dimensions of the SOHO disc in front of that camera. It covers a total of 400,000 miles diameter which at the present position of where SOHO is located covers the entire Sun to see objects around it. This is how we saw the ships. Based on the coverage factor it was divided into a grid. (the disc itself on that camera) We took that grid and measured those ships. We have tripled checked it and it was confirmed by a University on the East Coast and one of those ships is about 75,000 miles in length. We also found out the depth of that ship top to bottom is about 5,000 miles. What we don’t know is the width, as we have waited for the ship to give us such snapshot, but I suspect the width to be about the same because of very little changes from so many pics of it. We have spotted a tower approximately around the 75% mark of its entire length from front to back. (Example like the aircraft carrier we have today)

    Somehow this ship is able plus others to RESIST the incredible gravitational pull of the sun, is able to RESIST the incredible heat temperatures, and not melt that ship at all. They even have objects literally parked and why we do not know.

    If you want more information I suggest you sign up and contact the aliens for a tour ride around the sun, cause I don’t know how else to get there.

    Nasa now has a probe orbiting around Mercury, and they have to use a special shield to protect the probe from literally frying.

    It is humans that speculate worm holes or jump point doors to go from one galaxy to another etc. This is a theory as well as quantum theorys. Yes there is a point of when time goes backwards. Going faster than speed of light is not doing or going backwards in time.

    Right now we have the speed known as Kmh, to mph. The next is called hyper drive which leads up to reaching speed of light. This begins when you go 100 times. If you know that light travels 182,000 miles per second you have to break it down and divide it by 10.

    Ten increments make the hyper drive speed. Hyper drive 1 , hyper drive 2. etc. Now when you reach 182,000 miles per second you have hit light speed. Now you must also go another 10 increments. Anything faster than Light speed is called Warp speed. Warp 1 to Warp 2 etc. When you hit Warp 10 and anything faster than Warp 10 you now have hit TIME WARP. At this point TIME is neutral and anything faster than Time, TIME goes backwards.

    Using human numbers given to us today, we most likely and will not for a long time yet be able to get a precise age of the Universe. Why, because the Universe has NO TIME. TIME was invented by man.

    In order for us to have a precise measurement of TIME, one has to go to the edge of the Universe and obtain the expansion rate. That expansion rate will give you a precise measurement of TIME> OK. Then you will have what is called UNIVERSE TIME, and from there break it down and then you will have a set of tables as referance to calculate time here on Earth.

    Is this getting too deep for you to comprehend??? Let me know. To explain all this, will take months of lecturing and I don’t have that time here on this site.

    For every effect there is a cause, and for every cause there is an effect. Simple to keep in mind.

    Since we are in the primitive stage intelligence wise compared to Alien knowledge we have much to learn and a hell of a long way to go. Alien physics and such knowledge will bedevil our own physic masters we have today, and make us look silly. It would be like re-writing the entire book on the laws of physics.

    I have written posts on various topics here and there and if you read up on it you will get more information regarding my speculative theorys if you wish to call it, and have a better understanding. I will not condense everything into one topic here.

    An object must have some means of matter to be able to see using certain instruments. If it cannot be seen using certain instruments, then its not matter and cannot be seen. Hence this hidden dark star also known as Nibiru as claimed will be seen if it consists of some matter. Since it cannot be seen it contains no matter.

    Not to discount the theory of becoming invisible / or a cloaking device which is possible, but a star does not become invisible in its own right. It is not capable to do so. That is why I have tossed out this Nibiru theory out the window, as they claim it being 4 times the size of Jupiter. If such was to enter or even come close to our solar system, it will cause havoc including the sun and we all will lose our basic orbits and become like ping pong balls bouncing everywhere because it will disrupt the Suns own gravitational pull.

    Comet Elenin is another ???? mark and so far every post concerning it, is not verified. If it was a Comet we should see signs of it because by now it has entered our solar system if such is due to arrive around Fall. Until someone can with a high degree of certainity tell us its size and trajectory, I won’t hold my breath.

    Others are saying Alien ships are behind it on another asteroid, and knowing Aliens they don’t need to be behind anything either to travel. Why worry about that while they are already on the Moon, on the dark side which none of us can view and such is hidden from us?????

    Aliens have been around for hundreds of thousands of years Vara, and the earliest even comes from the caves of Neantherdhals etched on the rock with pictures of their drawings. I also believe the ALIENS were the creators of DINOSAURS.

    Dinosaurs lasted over 300 million years!!!!!!!! before going extinct approximately 60 million years ago.

    Again numbers and equations given to us is based on current knowledge regarding time and its events.

    Our lives is just a spec of sand time wise VARA, just a tiny microsecond of time. OK. Similar to like taking just one snapshot picture and that is it. Begin to end in a micro second of time.

    As for links others have provided it to us so search for it here on various topics. Let your fingers do some walking > sound good.

    Enough of this for now

    Have other things to do. Apology accepted but with reservations for the time being.

    Daveyo

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  107. I……I dont even know where to Begin correcting you on half the things you have asserted to be science and fact. Frankly I am no longer convinced that I should even try. wow, I mean, just WOW. lolol.
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    Once again you have Failed to produce Any confirmable Data for any of your hypothesis.
    You have failed to provide Links, and now make “claims” that you have got your eledged facts from soho it self.
    You original said you made measurements your self, Now you claim that soho provided them for you.
    Please provide at Least the phone number or means for which you contacted Soho, and if possible and even better yet, the name of the person with whom you spoke.
    You have failed to make your points properly quoting several scientific theories with out having a proper grasp of what you are refering to or the context in which they should be used. Its not unlike a child using big words or dropping terms to sound important and knowlegable, but having little to know grasp of what they mean. Yeesh.
    I am also still waiting for the horror story you promised.
    You have thrown out irelivant details that use up text space with out making your argument, such as the mercury probe (called “Messenger” by the way) and its heat panels.
    whats that got to do with any thing here except to try to make you sound semi knowlegable?
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    Nibiru Contains no matter? hahahahahaha.
    again you speak from a stand point as if you have proven some thing scientificly and for a fact, rather than putting it to us from a context of speculation there bud.
    I’ll help you out here tho.
    It CAN be seen, and Has been seen, but Not with the naked human eye which see’s only in a limited amount of spectrums.
    Its surface is dark which makes it like trying to see a black painted base ball thrown into the sky at night. it can blot out stars briefly in its path, but still not it self be seen.
    Next, ANY one claiming it is four times the SIZE of jupiter is mistaken.
    They have made such a statement in the wrong context.
    What Needs to be clearified is that it likely has 4 times the MASS of jupiter. And as a black whole, white or blue dwarf star, or quasar, can prove, Mass is Not a measurement in size.
    The object we would call Nibiru is likely a gass giant or failed star of mass greater than jupiter that has had a brief but failed ignition to star status in its past. this Burns material with out expelling it. like soot if you will. this lighter material which like soot is very light and heat absorbing collects in the topmost atmospheric layer of the gass giant making it apear as much darker than it should in comparison to a gass giant like jupiter which never had enough mass to collapse in on it self and ignite, even temporarily.
    The object Can how ever be seen on Infrared spectrum, as well as be detected on gamma and x-ray wave lengths.
    of COURSE it has matter. it has Mass, so it has matter.
    Just so you understand, any thing with a quark in it has matter and mass. this includes light photons. I hope that has cleared that lack of matter problem up for you. always glad to help.
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    The aliens created the Dinosaurs…..?
    (blinks eyes, blinks again.) well, at least THis time you finally put one to us like a hypothesis instead of a fact.
    I dissagree with this one intensely, but would still like to hear where you came up with that notion.
    How ever, I my self have a belief that one of the alien races we have dealt with is in fact dinosaurian. In my own belief system I have come to the conclusion that one species of dinosaur DID evolve sentient intelligence. weather by being tampered with by yet another alien species as I suspect we were, (I’ll get to your neanderthal statement in a moment, lol.) or evolving on thier own. I believe they were forced to leave our world before an foreseen calamitty and have been space faring since. But, that is just my Own hypothesis.
    here is a little known fact. Dinosaurs were almost extinct by the time the astoid hit the earth (65! million, to correct your number of 60) yrs ago. They now know this because fossil records show a petering out of fossils just before the impact event. Where, the event it self should have left the most significant layer of piled up fossils in history, it actually has the Least. Fascinating. There are new conjectures about what was killing them off Before the astroid event. My own belief is that intelligent races of saurians before leaving our world was bringing them to extinction just as we have many species in our own time.
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    Neanderthals.
    it is as yet not actually Proven that neanderthals them selves made cave paintings any more than it is proven that cromagnons did.
    it IS proven that the homonid that replaced them which frequented the same time periods as neandethals Did produce cave paintings.
    this is another area that people often get confused and taken out of context, and simply assume to use the word neanderthal in place of early human homanids. But as it cannot be proven at this time either way, there is no point in arguing it.
    (its like trying to Prove that aliens helped build the pyramids. I dont know about that one for sure either way)
    I personaly believe that there was alien tampering with our species about that time which increased both our intelligences and our ability to imagine, dream and produce art. It further allowed for red hair, blue and green eyes, and an apendix.
    Yes, I am aware that we have been visited by aliens for around 600,ooo yrs mate. Right around the time of the missing link in our own evolution.
    I believe that Big foot, is the last of the Un-tampered with species that we were derived from. But I am willing to stae what is Speculation, and what is known fact.
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    Again, I ask for the data, links, phone numbers, names, and any thing else which has a chance of supporting your arguments.
    They have yet to be provided. I would rather Not call you a lier, or degenerate this debate to imature avenues.
    And lastly, I notice you have provided no apology of your own for your part in the previous debacle. Thats OK, I was pretty sure you wouldnt. ;)
    As for the rest of your technobable, much of which does not even apply to the debate, I simply do not have it in me to correct you on every single thing you have stated in error any more. but Wow, man…,just… Wow.

    I do find it interesting that you would poo poo worm hole theory as man made only, and yet state that aliens technology is way beyond us to the point of breaking the laws of math and physics.
    where worm holes do fit into science and math, but travel at speeds 200 times beyond light does not. Its almost like you will say any thing to support your own arguments, even when what you are arguing against is scientificly and mathematicly sound.
    the ONLY reason such thing currently remain in the realm of “theoretical” is that we do not have power sources capable of conducting proper experiments.

    I think you would fit in VERY well with the ‘myth busters’ crowd.
    their methodology and implimentations are Just as much UN-scientific as any thing I have heard you state here.
    There is a profound difference between controled laboratory environmental conditions for experimentation, and the process of elimination in repeated experiment rather than just trying it once or twice. Im not sure I have ever seen myth busters Prove some thing scientificly, but thier laymans execution of problems is at least amusing. ;)

    I look forward to that data and info from you mate, pretty much because I know you have none to provide.
    …….Next?
    ~ GM aka Varakienen.

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  108. Guys, I love a good discussion and love a debate even more.
    But a proper debate comes with confirmable data, not conjecture and claim alone.

    My ONLY problem, and it is not at All small minded as has been suggested, is in conjecture being stated as if it WERE Fact, with nothing to confirm it.
    If we can just take the notion that certain things previously stated as if they were Fact Out of the equation, we can move forward and discuss hypothesis’s that will bend your mind.
    I have quite a few my self.
    I could not believe in aliens, big foot, Nibiru, prophecy and so much more if I was closed or small minded. How ever, I have a “Healthy” dose of scheptacism which allows me to seperate the crap from the cream. I think a lot of people are believing Every thing they read or hear just a little too easily. And for those whom do so with out seeking confirmable proof, all I have to say is that I happen to have a bridge in brooklyn that I would like to sell to them…. cheap. ;)

    There’s nothing worng with SPECULATION lol, or conjecture.
    I just like to keep facts seperated from Hypothesis until the Hypothesis can be made fact.
    Take a look at the church goers that believe judgment day will be coming near the end of may this year 2011. (the Rapture)
    If it fails to come as thier bible math says it will, then Man are they gonna feel dumb. this kind of thing has happened over and over in history, especially with end of the world scenarios.
    and why? because we seem to have a habbit of taking conjecture as if it were gospel or fact.
    Im just not built that way, and yet I still believe in so much that HAS managed to get through my filter.
    Have a good day gents. Even you Daveyo.
    I have No problem with you or your theories so long as you do not try to pass them as fact, or, IF you do, that you at least provide data to support them as fact.
    Be well all.

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  109. @ VARAKIENEN

    http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpress.com/2011/02/26/ufo-analysis-and-the-possible-future-of-earth/

    above is an article i put together for this site, it is filled with all the hypotheses, speculation and thoeries you could want, with many of my points suported by source links attached to it, this document was put together by me with aid from daveyo, so before you continue to debunk and discredit him take a read and youll see what CONSTRUCTIVE debating gets you rather than passive attacks.

    Luke

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  110. Hello Luke.
    Debunking isnt really an accurate word here.
    Correcting certain missinformations would be an more accurate term.
    Im not trying to disprove that the image of a extreemly large UFO was taken between Earth and the Sol. I firmly believe it was.
    But how far or close exactly, is not measurable with out more of a point of reference than the sun it self, and thus with out the exact distance we cant be sure how Big the object is.
    If it is even a million miles closer the sun can apear nearly the same size, but that would make the object tremendously smaller, you see?
    This is why two known and measurable points of reference makes the difference, and 3 can actually pin it down to the square foot.
    Other points of reference also allow us to determine light sources, speed, movement parameters and more so that we can properly dermine exactly What we are looking at rather than jump to any obvious conclusions. they also allow us to better spot fake materials.
    I firmly believe that this is a Real UFO, but only in the sense of the acronym, Unidentified Flying Object.
    I also tend towards the belief that it likely IS an alien craft, though there is honestly to little to support that.

    My problem with amature testimony online, is that to much is faked for attention or just fun, to much is misconstrued due to faulty or even non existant fact gathering, and to much is Hypothetical but being put forward as if it were factual. This last teaches other amature enthusiests entirely wrong details and mass’s of missinformation that they take to heart and pass on them selves.
    this serves Only to cloud the environment with garbage and obscure credible data that may go unobserved or disbelieved simply because so much other material has been shown as fake, disproved or held suspect, making this genre of topic a fools errend to most whom want to investigate it, but are afraid of the ridecule that comes with such activities.
    Its my endeavor here to keep missinformation or Unaccurate information to a minimum.
    I am VERY interested in looking to your link and seeing what people are thinking there. thank you very much for your consideration.
    Sincerely :
    ` Grant Moon aka VARAKIENEN. ;)

    Thank you for the link, I’ll have a look.
    You may have noticed that since I became aware of my own poor behavior, I have endevoured to clean my act up.

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  111. i applaud VARAKIENEN for cleaning up his act as he put it. its nice to see actual debating on here instead of name calling. as for input in the debate i have nothing to add seeing as how you guys are alot smarter then myself about these things. it has gotten to the point where first thing i do when i get to work is check this site to see if any new post have been made from vara or daveyo. keep up the good work gentlemen and thank you once again for having a good debate instead of a smear campaign or hate speech.

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  112. This is NASA DSN downtime pdf for 2011. Shows arrival dates for YU55, Elenin, Vesta. What ever it means.

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  113. I have seen, and commented myself, about people have been saying this time and time again in the past, which of course nothing happened, and this is just another of those situations, BUT back then we didn’t know there was something headed right at us 3x our size. Is this why all the governments are broke? Are they trying to save us before it’s too late? OR are they just preparing how they are going to save themselves and let everyone else die?

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  114. Sean.
    Its pretty much the later of your statements lad.
    The major governments world wide all have Ark projects that will house chosen few from the coming disasters and chaos underground in small city like bunkers that are broken up into cells.
    The US alone has well over a hundred now, the Largest of which is believed to be built under the new Denver airport in Colaerado.
    Over 2 trillion dollars per year has been siphoned off of thier money regimes since 96 or so. (dont quote me on the years, as I have conflicting data there.) But in the end, more money has been put aside to ensure the survival of the human race than has been spent on every thing else combined since 1990. that includes military standard expenditures.
    the movie 2012 had the gist of things, but the natural disasters will not be so grandoise and not so All at the same time. (short of the yellow stone cauldera super volcano that is. That one is rather accurate.)
    You can expect crop failures, global economic colapse, global black out conditions to all minor circuite electronics which is most of every thing electronic. Transportation and communication will come to a halt. This will set us back to the stone age nearly over night for months if not a few years. In that time the collapse will claim every thing, making recovery much harder.
    The chaos from groups scrambling to control remaining resources will cause global warfare.
    Populace internment and death camps, (number of the beast) and canabalistic roving scour squads are Not a far fetched notion.
    This is all tip of the ice berg stuff my lad.
    ….Have a nice day. ;)

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  115. It is conclusive that planet x is for real. The reason why i say is because i have heard this from an swami way back in 1998. This swami who hails from chennai in south india, predicted many things to come in future. 1) Let me begin with the internet itself, he said that soon our computers will be connected world over by which people will be able to send and receive images and data through it . 2) Y2k will not be a problem but something else is in store. 3) Water will be discovered on moon. 4) An alien ship will be captured on earth. 5) World war 3. 6) Computer failure all over the world. 7) Shift of earth’s axis. 8) Discovery and appearance of tenth planet in our solar system. 9) 5 day ordeal on earth. 10) future mankind migrating to mars.Imagine these information through his vision were told to us back in 1998! The events which happend is a clear example of the proof of other comming events, which remains to be seen.

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  116. May 22, 2011, I am a survivor of an EF5 t0rnado that hit Joplin, Mo. Just a few blocks from me the devastation starts and continues for over a mile wide. The initial reports says it went for 6 miles but it actually hit for more than 13 miles. The 6 miles was right through our small town of 50,000. Don’t really know what to say other than despair for those who lost their lives. I truly hope the sightings of UFO’S will initially spare the entire world of complete innahalation of our planet. My research tells me they will help most move into the fourth dimension and only 10% will remain on earth. God Bless Us All!

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  117. With that being said, I think the superior beings watching our planet will interfere before the demise of Earth. They are watching and interacting for a reason.

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  118. Hi Tami.
    i would be Very interested in the research that leads you to believe that they will remove all but 10% of the population to safety.
    Very interested.
    What Little I am getting from ancient prophecy and stone tablet suggest its more the oposite.
    That Only 10% or less will be saved with the rapture, and the rest will be left to dwindle with the trials that will befal the planet for years to come.
    I surely believe that those above are watching, and that they will Ultimately save thier farm/zoo from complete destruction, such as from any global wide extinction level event.
    But that they WILL allow great destruction that falls short of global wide extinction.
    Please send em any links that suggest other wise. I dearly want to believe what you believe.
    Thanx- Grant Moon.

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  119. Things are definately changing as far as our planet is concerned.
    Something will be happening soon, there is simply too much wrong for the cycle to be reversed. Keep your eyes peeled and your feet ready. Who knows what we will endure in the coming year. Once you connect all the pieces, and make the connections; your eyes will open and you will remain vigilant. Good luck all. Haha.

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  120. im not bound by any orginization im into private research regarding certain aspects of astro-physics as a whole my theories-my opinions-are my own,we live in a universe that is changing every second,in astro physics,we have many theories-many questions,very few answers,we rely on credible sources who specialise in a particular sphere in astro-physics-as astro-physics is a vast subject,there are many people who do amateur astro-physics,who in fact have shown in many ways that pro astro-physics is wrong sometimes right,my intrest in in astro physics is S,E,T,I,i contact people whom i know who have the nessary expertise in a subject to give there opinions on a particular subject,im not in position to disclose who my credible sources are,where info comes from,and from who does it originate from,but after many years have noticed many people are becoming aware of events,as you know the global community thousands of websites open,thousands close down,when it comes to opinions,theories,and many sites copy each other,so my info doesnt come from websites,it comes from a person in a video link conversation,and that is why im not always right,neither wrong-what is nice about it is that we share our opinions,ideas,theories,etc in astro-physics,and in the process we overlook certain parameters,and some 1 comes along,why dont you try this or that,sometimes it works,sometimes it doesnt work,and for me personally im driven by my desire to find an answer,no matter how long it takes,when i asked a person anything in the 5.750ghz band,ok so we put the word out who globally in that band spectrum doing research ,any1 in the 8.575ghz band,and somewhere globally there is some 1 who doing some research into a subject in astro-physics,and although in many cases not related,the flow of information,then goes around the global-astro-physics community be it professional-or amateur,and we get some answers,so in many astro-physics subjects,many people have similiar ideas and in the mix we get to a point ok if we cant find an answer then lets go look for a answer-and the universe provides the clues,and that is what makes astro-physics so intresting each person be it the global reader,professional,amateur has a theory,opinion,so lets look at those theories,opinions,and lets go find an answer in the universe,

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  121. so with the powers that be(goverments)classifying information,and telling the global community a story of an event,there are the leakers,sourcers,insiders,who know something and it gets out,and that is how information goes around,on a global basis 24-7,then you have astro-physics researchers,who have done research on a particular subject,and there are research papers somewhere,makes no diffirence if it was published in 1940,50,60,70,80,2000 onwards,lets look at it,and take it further where it ends,and in those research papers,documents,some1 had a opinion,theory,idea,and in many cases,that research applies in todays enviroment,and even when that person has passed away his-her research has a something in it that makes sense,in todays events,be it mathematics,qauntum physics,astro-physics-amateur -professional visual-radio-astronomy-and many related and none related subjects,somewhere a person has had a idea,theory,opinion,published papers,documents,etc,and somewhere in that document is a answer that has been overlooked,because in many cases,it wont work,it doesnt work,the maths etc is wrong,but if that person was right,lets put it to the test ,take it further,and see where it takes us,if we right-wrong makes no diffirence,INFORMATION IS KNOWLEGE-KNOWLEGE IS POWER TO SHARE THEORIES,IDEAS,OPINIONS,and in that mix awaits an answer,im 54,ive been intrested in astronomy since i was 16,in south africa,and my only goal in life was a very simple question-WHY? and even today i still ask many people WHY? and the answers are ,lets go find those answers to the questions that say WHY?

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  122. i know a astro-pysics person who is 76,i ask him for assistance,i live in capetown south africa,his reply is,ok let me look at your ideas,theories,ideas,research,and before i give you my answer,im also still trying to find the answers to the many questions,that say WHY,ive got some of them,others i dont have,and im also looking for those answers to those questions that start with WHY?,ive learnt from people who arent around anymore from the 1940s,to date,and have found answers,but the questions are millions,while the answers are just a drop in the ocean,and in astro-physics,im still looking for those answers?

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  123. 1 night some years ago the SETI BOINC software going on my pc,my friend she is a music teacher,she says what are those spikes on the screen,i tell her its a signal from space,her relpy was,do you know the frequency,the octaves of that signal,etc,i haul out the magic box of software and run my own she says know you going the wrong route,she goes home,comes back with her keyboard and copies it,by playing what she sees on the screen,its not music,mumble-jumble-but in that mumble-jumble lies an answer,so she writes down the numbers corrosponding to the notes,i get a maths expert,can you decipher this,he doesnt have a clue,i get a rf engineer he says hello you got something here,havent heard it before,so we investigate it further,so we amplify that signal,and she plays it we record it,and what do we get a coded message hidden in the radio-signal,but how do we decode it,we dont have a millions of dollars budget,like seti,nasa,etc have,so lets take it further from coded messages-to maths-to-numbers-to standard english text,rolls of printouts,and now we got a marker,some1 doing exactly the same private research and we share our ideas,theories,opinions,and then we build a reciever for just that radio-signal,,and some1 got access to 1 big dish antenna in another country hook up and we all just about get a heart attack,we got a coded signal,with ,showing up on the colour waterfall display,on the pc monitor,on a standard desktop pc with some custom made software,any1 know some1 who can decode this signal,some1 pops up,he knows sum1 who might be able to help,and so we go down the route of finding our own answers,so if seti,nasa-powers that be dont want to say what is going on we go our own route,simply because a person has got an idea,theory,lets take it,further and see where it takes us,we havent got an answer yet,we dont have access to ET Technology,etc,which is a known fact,but heck we getting closer to finding out where the heck it coming from,no matter what the coded message says,and some1 pops up,knows some1 who knows how decoding works,but not this type,so that person looks at it,another wanna-be heart-attack-we got a marker to start with based on some1s research in a research paper,a theory,makes no diffirence-how long it going to take me-other people,we going to find that answer,maybe the powers that know something or they dont aint our problem its there problem,we do our own research,in fact 90% coming from amateur radio-telescope owners,rf engineers,some not even related to astronomy,at all,10% astro physics people,but but heck its what keeps us going 24-7-globally,lets find our own answers,the quest to find out WHY?

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  124. some1 in another country try this calculation,eqation,maths,etc,nah it wont work?how do know it aint gona work?because of many factors?stuff the factors?lets see where it takes us,if it works?we got some answers?if it doesnt work?then WHY? doesnt it work?and that is what astro-physics is all about,be it professional,be it amateur,be it any related-non related-makes no diffirence-we have a global internet community,somewhere,some1 has an idea,theory,lets look at it,and see where those ideas,theories,take us,where as the powers that be(goverments)have access to technology that is extra terrestial,how they want to tell the global community what they want us to believe,with there resources,intelligengence,our planet earth has 1 mega-size think-tank,that outweighs the pro,s and the con,s of information and disinformation-misinformation,etc,that powers that be only want us to hear,see,believe,etc,and it wont be we never know,its more,that the questionsWHY? will become more answerable in days-nights,weeks,months,years,all because some1 has an idea,theory,no matter how way out it may be,we look at it,if it works?GOOD- if it doesnt work?GOOD,we just go down that route,that says WHY?and the powers that be(goverments)that be,its there headache,not ours in finding the right public relations media release,to cover up the previous media release that blows up in there faces.

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  125. About the UFO ‘s – I do not agree that the Aliens are trying to send us a message to warning about a Mass Body in space coming to hit the Earth . 1 – If it’s coming to hit the Earth , we are doomed anyway , what’s the point to say , hey …. your planet gonna smash and all of you it’s going to explode with your planet ?! …. we do not have technology to leave Earth or change the course …. so , no point to warning , let us live in happy blind hope of future till the final day . 2 – what’s the point to send a message so complex in the Earth’s field ? the crop circles ? ….some say their language are different , whatever if are , and I think so , here on earth we humans espeak a lot different languages , BUT , this ETs are older than humans and their technology are beyond our understand , and probaly we are clone or genetic create from one of then ….and they don’t have a way to translate a message for human language ? come on …… no sense ! 3- And people are talking about aliens maybe move or stop earth for don’t be hit by ( planet x etc ? ) here have LIFE …. its not obvious to move a liltle the planet X. or make it slow at certain point or accelerate to not go colision course with earth ? ….. and make it pass when earth are in opposite side ? ….. so, this Mass Space Body will pass anyway if exist , but not to colide with earth , but probaly to enduce a rapid Pole Shift , that can explain many disaster in the past …it’s more alike ! and the prophecies in the Bible and co-correlation with the Mayans end of long count callendar and the new circle have more approach to a space event that will cause terrible days on earth , but not the end of tzhe planet , a Super CME and Pole Shift it’s like to happen , and if this Planet X ( whatever ) it’s confirmed , looks like it are … ( two suns start to be seeing , tzhe real one our sun and a small one , the coming mass body ) than , the pole shift are basic to happen . What are the Aliens doing around earth so …?! well , they are here before humans be here , this is not New ! today we have the tech to watch the Sun close , Mars , Saturn , the moon ,,, then we see the huge UFOs and structures , was always there !! 4- From where you think come from the knowledge about stars, planets , and many others high info that the egyptians , Sumerians , jewsh , Mayans , and single people like Nostradamus , Leonard D , Ainstein etc got they light in the brain ? ……the same people from space that say about our future in this planet most pass to a doom days – Bible (Harmagedon) -Egypt , the ( Destroyer ) – Sumerians the return of ( Nibiru) Mayans ( the end of 4 circle and the begging of 5 with dark days and pain and fire ! and at the end a War between good force with the dark force ….. the good ( space beings ) the dark evil ( space beings on earth with their associates ; the governments and elite groups of this planets who do not aloud the human to go spiritual evolution ….. the Hell will break out on earth , not the end …. but a mass extermination event looks like …. prepair for a pole shift still a good advice , and start to awake the spiritual side ( no religion ) love and respect to the nature ….and people …. Something Big , remarkable Will Happen ! it’s happening …. don’t you follow the news ?? it’s different times …. we are going to a end of a old stage and into a new , the point are ….. will we be on the next stage ? …..or will we ( many of us ) let behind in the process ….. ?!

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  126. Been watching this thread and really its quite unique. However the hell with this spiritual crap folks, as it is not going to do a damn thing for you. We as humans do have the capability to overcome adversity and if there is something heading our way we can MINIMIZE the destruction and loss of human life. Property can always be replaced and fixed but you cannot replace a human being as this trip being alive folks is a ONE WAY TICKET TO RIDE.

    Once your dead its bye bye. Comprende???!!!!!

    So with the tools that we currently have lets make the best use of it and try to overcome the adversity that lays before us because if we don’t its HOPELESS.

    If something goes bad what do you do, you either fix it or replace it. Right. Same fuckin thing when it comes to asteroids that might hit this planet or even a comet. Its part of the machinery of the Universe that has its own rules. If something can be done we try to DIVERT IT if possible enough to pass us if we can do so, otherwise Ok so we figure out the impact area and advise everyone to LEAVE and move to a safe distance. What happens after that we will do what it takes to overcome the other obstacles that lay beyond.

    Sitting on your ass and twiddling your thumbs and thinking spiritually is not going to get you ANYWHERE, let alone SAVE YOUR ASS. OK. So get real and get in touch with reality and use your brains if you have any and do something about it. Comprende???? You folks do have the power and the means within you to take action and when you do respect others in like same manner and try to get along and assist and see to it as many people can do to live and to survive. Everyone has the right to live, everyone has the right to equal treatment – equal access and equal respect. No more and no Less. So ask yourself what you can do not ask the government of what they can do. The governments don’t give a damn about you whether or not your alive. The soldiers who fight for the governments are so fuckin brainwashed they do need a lot of cleansing. Hang up those weapons and tell the leaders to go fuck themselves and if they want to stop a protest, tell the leaders to go there and FACE THEM HEAD ON and deal with it since they want the goddamn power. If the people hang them high on a tree limb so be it. Done.

    The military should provide the security and the peace to protect even protesters as they have a right to voice themselves and make their objections not go in front of them and shoot at them. What does that prove other than total ignorance of the military and shame on them for even having the goddamn uniform on.

    I see this so much that the military is like a blind mice and go where they are told to go without giving it a thought of what the fuck they are doing and what the real purpose of who and what they are supposed to be and to represent in totality.

    Have a nice day

    Daveyo

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  127. that huge ufo mothership near the sun is huge ,ran that photo with a contact and he reckon that you looking around 1000kms in width,+-.in south africa here the media will just indicate ufo spotted,in a newspaper page6,they more concerned about politics,if you phone a talk radio station here,they think you smoking something-or the call screener puts the phone down,so the poor souls will have to wait and see what transpires,regarding the spiritual folks,well here they think you into satanism or high on grass,etc.

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  128. Hi FWJ
    I know that mothership is huge and early estimations based on my calculations its about 75,000 miles long.

    As to those on the spiritual realm, its quite obvious that they are smoking yaba, and hemp along with a touch of snow. Makes them mellow I think.

    If you notice the religious entities are trying to somehow merge the UFO into their theology, its a wonder that they want to alter the current concept to present time. Actually these religious entities have been the main cause and problem for well over 1,500 years. Look at what they did during the middle ages.

    It is interesting to note that Ancient Roman pagan theology etc, actually merged with Christianity courtesy of Constantine, and the Roman reign basically is STILL ALIVE TODAY, under the auspices of the POPE!!!! The Pope is actually still the Roman Emperor believe it or not. Take a look at his miter and the inscription on it. Very few people ever even bother to look or take notice of it. hehehehehehehe.

    The merger and continuance was done rather quietly and the Cardinals basically still represent the Ancient Senators of Rome. Consider this, who elects the pope?? vs who elected the Emperor of Rome albeit of some of them getting there by other means. In other words Ancient Rome became more sytematic and organized The guards that protect the Pope today basically is a offshoot of the guards that protected the Emperor of Ancient Rome.

    Anyway a lot of people will argue on this topic and quite frankly its all right in front of you if anyone bothers to open up their eyes and take a peek.

    When it hits you then you will be stunned and be so bewildered on how you were so deceived.

    I once threw a question to a high ranking official of the Vatican, and he could not come up with an answer like his mouth got stuffed with cotton balls. He simply could not explain or answer my question.

    Tis were the days my friends, as they were called the HAPPY DAYS!!!!
    heheheehehehehehehehehehee

    Daveyo

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  129. Daveyo, you have some mighty words there, but let me give you a quote by Blaise Pascal concerning being spiritual, “Belief is a wise wager. Granted that faith cannot be proved, what harm will come to you if you gamble on its truth and it proves to be false? If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation, that he exists.”

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  130. Hi Tami

    Thanks for the quote. Here is what I wager. I will believe in the UFO before I believe in something such as spiritual since I have not witnessed it or seen such. OK

    No problem with faith, as faith is an ingredient to move forward to believe that you can do something to save yourself. ehhhhh. It has nothing to do with spiritual here.

    If you see ghosts in front of you, of course you will believe they exist. As my example. What I was talking above is if you don’t do anything but rely on spiritual to be your saviour, your just as good as dead.

    You have to do something to save yourself. Spiritual is not going to do anything to you, but on the other hand it might pave the way for you to take action or whatever comes your way.

    Here is an example. Back in 2002, I tried to get inside the house section where my mother lived after not being able to rouse her or get any kind of response. I became desperate trying like a dickens to open a door knowing there is a pin on the other side that prevents it from opening. After banging moving and trying for a good 10 minutes, I finally sat on the stairs contemplating to get out my cirucular saw to cut a part of the door out to get in. I had my head down and was thinking very hard. I then decided to go get the saw, and took another look at the door and huh, the door was OPENED. Don’t ask me how, cause I could not get in. I then was able to get in and find my mother MURDERED. I know who the killers are but cannot prove it.

    The part of what I am talking about is the door. How did it opened up on its own. To this day its been a mystery to me ever since that discovery. The pin was still in the hole!!!!!!! It never came out!!!!!! Yet the door was opened up somehow. No one else was in the house but me. When I found my mother I called 911 and the police. A lot of strange things were found inside the garage and yes it was somewhat a violent end to my moms life because of the greed of a suspect.

    What I am saying here something had to open that door, because I could not get in or do it myself.

    For a long time in my life I believed in some unknown power, and dreamed of space travel etc as I grew up being a kid. My favorite T.V. program was Lost in Space. The Jupiter 2 ship. Then the UFO’s show up last year sort of re-inforcing the fact that they really do exist and it was for 6 solid hours and not just a fleeting few moments of time.

    If anyone can give me a plausible or reasonable answer to this mystery please do so. I sure would like to know who and how did that door open up as I sat on the stairs in despair.

    Am I bitter and angry that someone took her away from me and my life > YES. Do I want to see Justice done > YES. Yet not one damn cop or investigator wants to solve a cold case murder of which someone committed the perfect crime and today is getting away with it. Do I want a closure in this matter> YES but I cannot get a closure cause no one wants to HELP. So I have to live and keep on going and do what I can for myself to survive and to live just like everybody else.

    Daveyo

    Nothing is mighty about this, this is reality OK.

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  131. Daveyo, first and foremost, I am so sorry for the loss you have had to experience. I do not believe anyone should have to endure such that you have had to. I do not believe we are they only ones in the universe and I believe there are those out there trying to protect us and will not let the Earth be detroyed, we will just enter into another era unlike what we have knowledge of ast the present. I also believe that the power in the belief I have will help guide me through the survival instincts I will need to survive. If I don’t survive, then I believe I have another destiny to fulfill. I would embrace being able to live on this planet or any others with different species and living in harmnony. As long as I can remember, I have visited other places in my dreams, seen people faces whom I have never known and interacted with them sometimes. The destruction that just recently hit my town was just a few blocks away from me, for whatever reason my home and live was spared while so many others lost theirs. I ask WHY and I know that it is because I am strong and my spiritual beliefs are telling me that I will help in rebuilding the lives of the people in my town. Just as the door to your mother’s house suddenly became open, there are forces that are all around us whether you believe they are spiritual or alien can help us in certain cirmcumstances as to not change the fate of the incident but help to help bring some peace because of the incident. I believe those wastching and protecting us will interviene when the time is necessary and the new era of Earth begins. Again, I am sorry for your loss and the horendous act that caused it.

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  132. About spiritual things, I think it all can be summed up at this site:

    http://www.near-death.com/

    I think it is a very good site, and it helped answer many questions I had about afterlife, our condition and purpose, religion, and spirituality without all the religious propaganda that many churches spew out. Regards.

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  133. Tami.
    ….Well said.

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  134. ( “Religeon is the Worst thing to Ever happen to Faith.” )

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  135. Religion means – Division , block peoples mind to see beyond what are teaching for then by their leaders , slave then by doctrine and cult . Today have many others spiritual movements with another’s names as a cover ex; on the ufology , new age 2012 and beyond etc . But ; still be a spiritual person a important piece on human being to evolute , just do not mix it with religion or groups . It’s something inside us and we know it , the connection to outside the Blue to the universe .

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  136. We all have a destiny. We are constantly reborn until we get our spiritual right.

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  137. This one scares the Begeebus out of me.
    The notion that Nibiru May be in a possition to steal our planet from its orbit around the sun, and Math to support it?http://www.youtube.com/user/adamitenews#p/f/22/MqV0StQbJQs

    Do I think it will happen? No.
    Do i think there will be global devastation in Nibiru’s attempt. you bet.

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  138. Vara, what NASA is saying its on a parked orbit and it will not come into our Solar system. It is still within the Ort cloud region.

    This one I will not worry about at all. If such was to enter our solar system, it definitely would be changing all the planets orbits quite dramatically including us. As of this moment all is peaceful and all is in harmony.

    Hmmmm, interesting to read that this particular item or Planet etc, whatever it might be, having helium and hydrogen!!!! It would be nice to ahem take this thing and have it go and refuel our sun!!!!!. Our Sun is running low on hydrogen now, so it would be a nice present to extend our sun another extra 12 billion years on top of it now before it runs out of hydrogen fuel again.

    Just wondering what would happen if we did this and got this gas giant to sort of say hello to our Sun, merging it together and what would happen after that???? Will there be a huge explosion or would our Sun suck the hydrogen from this gas giant to refill its tanks back up????? or will our Sun ignite this other gas giant like a popsicle. Wonder what some expert would say on this scenario?

    Daveyo

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  139. NASA is a Pack of Liars and get their paychecs from the same people that are responsible for all the worlds cover ups from Kenedeys assassination to 911.
    Nibiru and alien presense is hands down the TOP of thier adgenda for the largest cover ups they have ever perpetrated.
    Nasa has shut down all web sites that have to do with things they are covering up. they have shut down wise and other satalites that provide info freely for public use. they know its coming, and no Way do they want the public to know about it till its on Top of them. Yes, I am talking as if from Fact and Not speculation even though I cannot provide absolute proof but only circumstantial evidence to support my claims.

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  140. In my opinion this thing will indeed pass through our solar system as it has done previous times (look up ancient sumerian texts), but i doubt that it will pass close to earth as it hasn’t come close in the last 4 billion years, and yet it is said to pass us every 3600years. So in reality i think this will not have an adverse effect, if it does indeed exist, on our planet. Instead i think it will provide an an amazing night time spectacle, but also could throw in some gravitational effects there.

    Also, has or can anyone do some research on major calamities throughout recorded time, the reason being is that if a pattern can be found between extreme adverse effects on earth and a certain time period it could be an explanation as to what to expect when it does come to pass us again.

    another point, has anyone toyed with the notion that this thing could be a sentient space craft/ mothership? i mean look at its supposed orbit, it is in a binary star orbit yet none of the other planets in our solar system are effected by the same pattern? very odd to me… its almost like it is set on a looped surveillance path. anyway just another idea thrown out there

    Luke

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  141. Hi Luke good to hear from ya again.
    Yes indeed there is Lots of time based evidence to support Nibiru’s passing, both near and far from earth within the core system.
    The last pass was a mild one., about 1600 BC, coinciding with the 10 commandments and the exodus of the Jews from Egypt.
    Nost of the 10 Plagues of Egypt can fall under the passing of the dark sister in the sky. And in fact because it is likely a Brown drarf failed star it is vurtually invisible to the naked eye untill it is almost on top of you.
    Because the pass was a mild one, it coincides with the B-Dwarf passing far away and likely near the oposite side of the earths orbit. This would also be why there are no prominent reports of it in the heavens during that time, as a brown dwarf is a collapsed mass that is extreemly cold do to lack of fission at its core. During its stellar journey it has no other large celestial bodies to agitate its core to heat. Thus it sinks to near kelvin absolute zero temperatures on its journey. This gives its burnt out gasses a lack of color and infact makes them nearly black. they literally absorb photons of light, rather than reflect for the most part.
    Previouse passes also coincide with other Great dissasters every 3600 yrs seemingly like clock work. Among them is the Biblical flood of Noe / Noah.
    Which has a similar counter tale in almost every language and culture of the time. We are still finding Massive structures ecquivilant to the pyramids hundreds of feet below current sea level. The most obvious being the ruins off the coast of Japan. forgive me, i Just woke up and have forgotten the name, but they are truely easy to google.
    The great flood of course coincides precisely with the sinking of the atlantean culture. The english bible (which has been re-written for propoganda and massive chunks selectively left Out for same) does not mention the dark star passing during the flood, but Other cultures Do.
    If we want to go further back still, we have Ice age trigger events and super volcano eruptions which have caused mass extinctions in the fossil records of the surface permian layer. It literally goes on and on through history with varying levels of destruction based on proximity and planitary alignments.

    This passing will be among the worst ever i fear.
    There is to much evidence of Multiple alignments to come, and the ones which have passed coincide Pre-Cisely with massive tectonic events such as the chille earth quake, and the Japanese tsunami.
    THESE can be tracked by watching Elenin’s aproach.
    I am not saying that Elenin IS or Isnt the Dark sister.
    Too much government cover up and missinformation to be sure of that one im afraid. I AM saying that a large dark gravitational force associated with Elenins possition and trajectory has been measured and traced to coincide with said disasters.
    I my self believe that Elenin is a comet that is caught up in Nibiru’s wake or is in orbit about Nibiru. Which would explain why the russians think it keeps changing course, and why amature astronomers cant find it at times as it has moved behind a large dark mass and cannot be seen.
    Just my personal opinion there.
    Elenins trajectory is due to have it pass closest to the earth in october about the 17th, but its possible worst alignment will take it almost directly between us and the sun about the 27th of sptember of 2k11.
    this is likely the BEST time to see it as the sun will shine through its tail illuminating it quite brilliantly. Where Nibiru’s exact possition will be about these times I cannot say as Elenin May be in orbit literally millions of miles from the dark sister. eather way, Nibiru wont be all that far off, and when IT passes between us and the sun we will likely experience the Worst of its magnetic and gravitational pull. There are those whom believe that it will be in a possition to potentially steal the earth from the sun and claim it within its own orbit. I think this later is an unlikelyhood.
    But it will still have a devastating tug to be sure.
    Its influence has already purturbed our fellow ststem planets so much that they too are experiencing a global warming.
    Saturn is sprouting a new solar storm almost over night where it usually takes saturn and jupiter decades and centuries to build its storms.

    Do I think this thing IS a mother ship? yes and No.
    I think the planets and moons around niburu are populated by alien cultures. (the Anunaki)
    But I do Not think the thing is a ship in and of it self.
    Good to see ya post again Luke.

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  142. —MOTHER SHIPTON’S POEM—

    Mother Shipton Foretells of a Fiery Dragon in a prophetic poem that was published in 1641

    A fiery dragon will cross the sky
    Six times before this earth shall die
    Mankind will tremble and frightened be
    for the sixth heralds in this prophecy.

    For seven days and seven nights
    Man will watch this awesome sight.
    The tides will rise beyond their ken
    To bite away the shores and then
    The mountains will begin to roar
    And earthquakes split the plain to shore.

    And flooding waters, rushing in
    Will flood the lands with such a din
    That mankind cowers in muddy fen
    And snarls about his fellow men.

    He bares his teeth and fights and kills
    And secrets food in secret hills
    And ugly in his fear, he lies
    To kill marauders, thieves and spies.

    Man flees in terror from the floods
    And kills, and rapes and lies in blood
    And spilling blood by man kinds hands
    Will stain and bitter many lands

    And when the dragon’s tail is gone,
    Man forgets, and smiles, and carries on
    To apply himself – too late, too late
    For mankind has earned deserved fate.

    His masked smile – his false grandeur,
    Will serve the Gods their anger stir.
    And they will send the Dragon back
    To light the sky – his tail will crack
    Upon the earth and rend the earth
    And man shall flee, King, Lord, and serf.

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  143. HEY GUYS, IN MY RESEARCHES i AM COMMING UPON WHAT MAY BE ANOTHER GOVERNMENT OR iLUMINATI DISSINFORMATION SCHEME, or IT MAY jUST BE A WRONG READING OF ANCIENT TABLETS.

    CI cant seem to figure out How to post my own thread on this site, so, can some one please take up the torch and post the following For me?

    2012 May Not be the true Myan Calender Date. Evedince for example:
    It may actually be 2011 dec 24th. http://www.2012honduras.com/?p=2708

    Has governments or iliminati pulled off another dissinformation conspiracy? Can ANY one provide info or links to how and where this date first started to change in the public perception? and, can the old date be confirmed in any way? Please help research.
    ~ Grant Moon, aka VARAKIENEN.

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  144. VARAKIENEN,

    Well that’s very sad that a lot of people know how is gonna play out at the end and we are helpless when we make the government rich. They are nothing w/o the tax payers!

    Randall

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  145. Randall, I have been watching you and your comments. I will respond soon enough in regards to your insidious comments towards me. The morbid interest is there indeed.

    As to others I have been busy working with the owner of this site. We will be having a new site and leave this wordpress. It will be much better and easier for everyone. Stay tuned for our announcement.

    Be careful Randall as I strum my fingers here deciding what to do about you. You owe me an apology.

    Daveyo

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  146. Randall, does the date really matter with all of the recent volcanic eruptions, the major amount of earthquakes, very sparatic weather??? Something is obvious in the works with our Mother Earth and its future. I have lived in the same house for 30 years now and never has my town of Joplin, Mo. experienced what we did a few weeks ago. Yea we are considered part of tornado alley, but Randall, I drive just a few blocks and there is nothing, drive several miles and there is nothing but devastation. This is not normal, as well as the amount of animals just dying with no cause. The dwarf star is reeling havoc on us and this is just the beginning of what we will see before our planet Earth gets back in the right sequence as it is meant to be for us to have forever peace and harmony. But that is just my opinion.

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  147. Hi Daveyo :
    I really enjoyed reading your points of view regarding all these topics”
    being a true believer of UFO’s and ALIENS & evrything that is happening around us
    and I’m looking forward the new site you mention!!!! I hope is as good as this one!!!!!!
    keep up the good work!!!!!!!!

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  148. 09 47 32.10, 13 9 51.2. ELENINS coordinates on June 14 2007. Check the coordinates on JPL if you don’t think they’re correct. Go to skyview, another NASA program, and input the coordinates. Make sure you choose one of the infraraed telescopes, IRIS tends to give the best images from what I’ve seen. Check what you see and tell me it’s a small tiny comet. This really raises a flag for me. Alot of the things said on Elenin could be considered opinions. When I looked at this pic and checked day after day to see if this was what they are tracking as ELE , it really gave me a different interpretation on what could be headed this way. THIS does NOT look like a comet. I’d like some input…what do you guys think?

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  149. Deric

    Thanks for the post, but I am not interested in this Zeta crap since its all human devised and its all human answers trying to explain things they themselves do not understand. Anyone who believes in this Zeta thinking are totally deceived and it will come as a surprise to them later on.

    Daveyo

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  150. Hi Deric and Thanks for the Link that you sent to Daveyo. He is not ready for that kind of thinking as yet and is mired in the purely physical and measurable scientific aspects of these phenominon.
    ————
    I understand that there is a significantly spiritual aspect to the comming Rapture which has been proheciesed. So much so that I no longer believe that DNA is the soul purpose or factor in choice for Aliens when the rapture takes place.
    There is a Point to the comming of the age of acquarius and the turmoil that will befall mankind which will be the stepping stone to a higher spiritual consiousness or awakening.
    Although I hold Much in suspect at the link web site given, I have developed a talent for weeding through crappola and finding the nuggets of universal truth. Even when it is often miss interpreted by others.
    Aliens have thier own spirituality, and I am NOT talking the christian bible or the like. And It is fast comming my belief that they are looking for the rare same in some of us. Those whom are Ready.
    Thanks again for the link, I will sift through it for tidbits of truth amongst the flotsam of missinterpretation.
    ~Vara.
    ————-
    Note to Daveyo: Chill out a bit dude, yer coming off as Grumpy and condescending to people whom are being “nice” to you and are just offering what in thier own opinion constitutes as help. ;)

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  151. Hi Vara

    What I said is true. I am not interested in that Zeta site as I did take a look at it, and the explanations so written down is all human kind of BS, and not from a legit Alien who would tell you otherwise. If you look at it deep enough you might just so happen to see the light bulb dawn on you too. hehehehehehehe.

    To this day none of us has met any of these aliens. We have seen them yes and have verifications of their existence, and received a few surprises every once in awhile. Let alone know what their communication links are and what kind and how etc. We don’t know anything yet UNTIL they themselves decide to make official contact or meet someone on the sly and give us the Holy Grail basic book on linking up communicative wise to them. Basically we need THEIR instructions and until that point of time, the Zeta site is in another way of saying an outreach center for people who like to delve themselves into something like a Dalai Lama style. Ok

    Thanks for your input in assessing my intuitive thoughts.

    No offense Deric, its just my opinion.

    Daveyo

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  152. This supposed giant planet in the Oort comet cloud certainly is not Nibiru, and it probably does not even exist. I have received several questions like this in the past week, so I guess this rumor is appearing on conspiracy theory websites. No one has seen this planet, and it is only a suggestion made this year by two scientists at the University of Louisiana as a possible explanation for the observed distribution of orbits of comets that are coming from the Oort cloud. It was not detected by the WISE infrared survey or any previous sky survey. I doubt that is real, but even if it were, the association with Nibiru is fantasy. Its distance is estimated as 15,000 times the distance from the Earth to the Sun — that is almost 400 times farther than Pluto, or about a thousand billion miles. The mythical planet Nibiru, if you believe the stories about it, is on a 3600-year orbit that brings it into the inner solar system and is headed for an encounter with Earth two years from now. They could hardly be more different. Please use a little common sense. The name “Tyche” is not any more real than the object, and it is certainly not the “scientific name” for Nibiru. Also, your claim that Tyche exerts a gravitational effect on the Earth is nonsense. And the idea that this object, if it exists, could come into the inner solar system is also nonsense. The stability of inner planet orbits shows that no large perturbing mass has been in the inner solar system for millions of years, if ever.

    David Morrison
    Astrobiology Senior Scientist
    March 3, 2011

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    • Gee, thanx for clearing that up for us Troy 23. I feel so much better now that you stepped up to bat and made an argument with Nothing to back it up versus massive amounts of evidence that the rest of us have taken years to work out.
      You should do a little more research rather than just throw out comments on topics that dont apeal to you because they would drasticly change your world and view of it.
      Its easy to stay in your shell. safe, warm, a lot less scary in there.
      After all, Ignorance IS Bliss.
      Any way, I know youve changed My life in just a paragraph or two, thaqnx for coming out. ;)

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  153. Hi Troy 24

    Thank you, thank you thank you. You finally have the credentials to tell us all of what the hell is going on. It will be very hard for those people to debunk your analysis. Vara please give the guy a break. He does have the knowledge and expertise and this Nibiru nonsense definitely has gotten out of hand.

    We should be concentrating on Elenin as that one can possibly be a major threat to us. It depends on how it swings around the sun which can also alter its present course. The way the Sun has been going, and giving fits etc., I am keeping my fingers crossed.

    To Troy 24>>>>Please do me a very special favor. Can you tell me what size this Elenin is and its actual orbit for our encounter, and its possible speed and if the Sun will or can alter its current course. There is a lot of debate on its size and current trajectory.

    I would like to also put this to rest once and for all. I need your help.

    Hope to hear from you soon.

    Daveyo

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  154. Daveyo.
    You are absolutely Correct, 100%.
    I was terribly tired, and having an Bi-polar episode, and didnt recognise its effect on my perceptions and Judgment.
    I apologise to TROY 24, and have gone back and re-read his post.
    I originally took it to mean that he claims Nibiru doesnt exist- AT ALL.
    When it turns out he is claiming Tyche may not exist, and that it has nothing to Do with Nibiru.
    Totally My bad.
    I am Not convinced of this persons credentials as yet, but look forward to his answering of your questions.
    Ive slammed You daveyo for your oor attitude toawrds other peoples posts at times, and here I went off the deep end my self. I am glad you were there to wash my face in coffee and help me get back on track. ;)
    ~ VARAKIENEN, aka, Grant Moon.

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  155. Hi Vara

    Hehehehehehehehe, no problem. However I have to sort of turn gun metal blue sometimes because leniency or diplomacy will not work, and of course the Admin and I are very tight as well as Luke. Yes I think your getting the picture of who we are, but we kindly not mention it.

    Naw I did not wash your face in coffee. Too messy. It was done by sterile saline means that was cooled to a temp enough to stimulate you. hehehehehehehehehe. So when I make some posts that you might not like regarding some others, its there for a reason. Fair enough.

    I hope Troy 24 responds as his answers are vital for all of us and comes in highly regarded.

    DaveyoHi Vara

    Hehehehehehehehe, no problem. However I have to sort of turn gun metal blue sometimes because leniency or diplomacy will not work, and of course the Admin and I are very tight as well as Luke. Yes I think your getting the picture of who we are, but we kindly not mention it.

    Naw I did not wash your face in coffee. Too messy. It was done by sterile saline means that was cooled to a temp enough to stimulate you. hehehehehehehehehe. So when I make some posts that you might not like regarding some others, its there for a reason. Fair enough.

    I hope Troy 24 responds as his answers are vital for all of us and comes in highly regarded.

    Daveyo

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  156. Google search- HD 209458 – can any one explain to me about this planet which was discovered in 1999. I wish to know more on its present location.

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  157. Hi

    Why you ask us about this?? This is a exoplanet orbiting another star system which is 150 light years from Earth and is considered a gas giant approximately 2.5 times the size of Jupiter in the constellation of Pagasus with temps minimum of 1,800 degrees. This is considered a gas giant similar to a large round balloon!!!!! This gas planet will never see us at all and its forever parked in Pagasus, and will be destroyed by its own Sun when it hits the Red Giant phase. In fact its so close to its own Sun its just a matter of time when that Sun sucks it towards oblivion.

    I am not sure why you ask us this, but do you want to take a trip there and pay it a visit when it happens to orbit its sun in 3.5 days compared to us orbiting our sun which takes 365 days.

    hehehehehehe.

    Google it and you can find out.

    Daveyo

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  158. Hi daveyo, thanks for the info. I wanted to compare HD 20

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  159. Hi Daveyo, Thanks for the info. I wanted to compare HD 209458 planet/comet, to the up coming tenth planet in to our solar system. We have only heard a little about the tenth planet. May be we can learn more through this tailed planet/comet. There must be a reason why astronomers have been watching this planet (HD 209458) carefully ever since it was discovered. And wonder why there was a laughter in your reply.

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  160. Hi Raj. Imma Betting that Daveyo was chuckling because your questions at the time seemed to have little to do with this thread and Nibiru it self.
    This light wieght gass giant you are interested in may be large but has little mass given its size, and does Not compare to a Brown dwarf which nibiru is most commonly believed to be.
    Scientists are Most curiouse about this enormouse gass ball for two reasons.
    One is that it likely has water vapor, and that means it also has oxygen.
    Two is its very unusual orbit so close to its parent star.
    An orbit of some 3.5 days per its year is virtually unprecidented in such a large gass giant, and there is conjecture/speculation that it might be a captured body not native to that system, and that it is spiraling in to the star. This would likely still take thousands of years to happen, but it would make for a spectacular phenominon. and much can be learned about other planets and stars by watching them in thier death throws.

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  161. To Raj and Vara

    This gas exoplanet is only 5.5 million miles from the star it orbits. The speed of circling its star in 3.5 days is in my opinion looks like its about to take a sling shot from that star. Something has to give. Eventually that speed will overcome the gravitational pull of that star if the speed increases to sling shot itself out OR, the gravitational pull from that star will rip that gas planet to shreds and cause it to spiral itself right into that star completely.

    We did the same thing using Mars, Jupiter and Saturn to sling shot the two voyagers so it picks up speed, that now are still going.

    I don’t think its going to take thousands of years for this event. I think its going to be much sooner than that like maybe a few hundreds of years at most. Right now I think that is what the astronomers are betting on and the real reason for its interest. They are curious to see what will happen in the future scenario. Either it goes smacky to the star or sling shots itself out of that star system.

    Think about it for a moment here Ok. That gas giant is 2.5 times the size of Jupiter, a brown dwarf is 4 times bigger after you added the 2.5, yet the star it orbits is about the size of our current sun. Our sun is 865,000 miles in diameter. Ok. In one day this planet has made a trip from left to right on its sun!!!!! Impact wise it will be just a burp like when huge asteroids smash into Jupiter. Its star will sustain the impact without any problem.

    Something tells me its going to sling shot itself out. I will place 5 sweet peas and bet on it hands down. hehehehehehehehehe. If that gas giant picks up speed and say if a massive solar flare erupts just at the right time as that planet passes by, that gas giant will sling shot itself out of orbit saying bye bye. hehehehehehehee.

    That star is the same as our sun, so it has to have its sun spot cycles as well. And by the way funny as I read about it, its almost the same age as our sun!!! Is this a co-incidence or what???

    Now I ask myself why I am into this subject??? Sheeeeeesh

    Daveyo

    Hi

    Why you ask us about this?? This is a exoplanet orbiting another star system which is 150 light years from Earth and is considered a gas giant approximately 2.5 times the size of Jupiter in the constellation of Pagasus with temps minimum of 1,800 degrees. This is considered a gas giant similar to a large round balloon!!!!! This gas planet will never see us at all and its forever parked in Pagasus, and will be destroyed by its own Sun when it hits the Red Giant phase. In fact its so close to its own Sun its just a matter of time when that Sun sucks it towards oblivion.

    I am not sure why you ask us this, but do you want to take a trip there and pay it a visit when it happens to orbit its sun in 3.5 days compared to us orbiting our sun which takes 365 days.

    hehehehehehe.

    Google it and you can find out.

    Daveyo

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  162. BTW daveyo, i know why your comments are reposting, on tthis new system it saves your last comment in the comment field, you have to delete this before typing your new comment, ive also had this double comment issue

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  163. Hi Luke

    I have had to go to wordpad and type out all my messages and then copy and paste to the site. I cannot see what I am typing on this new system created by wordpress at all. Its nothing but a blank when I type there. Then it also jumps when I hit post.

    I have mentioned this to the Admin (which whom you know) and now the Admin and I are working on getting up the Admins own site so we don’t have to use wordpress ever again.

    But the Admin has been quite sick lately having the same disease I had which lasted 3 weeks for me during May. Its a different kind of intestinal disease. Come to find out its a double wallbanger with e-coli, and salmonella!!!!! Its very painful with stomach cramps which last for 6 days and then gradually fades out, and then for another 5 days your system needs time to reset intestinal wise after which the soupy stuff begins to harden back up. During this time period of 11 days you don’t feel like doing a damn thing except moan in labor in your bedroom and pay a lot of visits to the bathroom. Also one has to be very careful of what they are eating. For me it was a Van Houten chocolate candy bar from Indonesia which (in my case) caused the problem. Nothing you can do except ride it out, take your Rolaids and drink hot tea, and if a fever (which I had) take some Tylenol. There was one medication here that I had from the hospital which I saved from the past and used that and it broke the ice and helped me on my recovery. The key is to take stomach relaxer meds to keep the stomach from cramping.

    So for now the work on the site has slowed down depending on the admins recovery. The admin has over 2,000 articles which needs to save to the Admins system first, and when the Admin is ready I will get the site up, register it, get a web host to take care of the Admin, and set it up for the Admin including all the security the Admin will need to keep out tripping pests. The Admin will then have to transfer all the articles saved to this site. Once this is done, viola the Admin is in business and will have total 100% control. Right now under wordpress the Admin has limited powers of which wordpress can do anything they want since its their program and that is the part that SUCKS.

    After that my job is finished and the Admin should be quite happy with the set up. I have done it for my own site knocking out all the pests and the nasty bots and hey, I finally get humans to register now, hehehehehehehehe.

    Anyway I know about the double posts etc and its a real pain in the ass since we the posters have no option to delete our posts or to clean up the mess or even to edict it. Under the new site we all will have that ability to edict it and any designated Moderators to remove any double posts or move the posts to its respective categories. Furthermore it will be a hell of a lot better and reader friendly, and have private messages etc, a shout box, plus being user friendly as long as this black crap with white lettering is GONE. hehehehehehehehe.

    One word of caution> if private messages involves illegal activity, yes the Admin can intercede and put a stop to those members. WordPress does not have a lot of features for the users and that is why the decision was made officially.

    Still waiting for your crunched numbers and still waiting for your answers to my private messages to you.

    Daveyo

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  164. Thanks to both Daveyo & Vara for the reply. The knowledge which both carries (going through the previous post’s) is commendable. I felt small in front of you. All i wish to see is the projected future of mankind in to the next evelution, keen to see the changes in every one’s life. Freedom from the present ways of life in which we are all in for some kind of a rat race. Wish to know how soon these things will happen.

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  165. Hmmmm, I wonder if I have a Government Troller over on the “what is next to our sun” thread topic. lol.
    Oh Morris, you Do make me chuckle.

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  166. The Govies are at it again on the global earth quake up date thread. To All my friends, feel free to chime in and debate them with facts of your own ;)
    ~Vara.

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  167. Just watched your links on Ancient Aliens, what happened to the first one? Anyway, absolutely fascinating information. I truly enjoyed the series.

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    • WOW, fRANK. THIS GUY HAS A VERY NARROW AND LIMITED VIEW BASED ON A RATHER SMALL AMOUNT OF DATA INDEED. Damn caps lock.
      No wonder his data train and conclusions are faulty. lol.

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  168. I kinda chuckled at the reasoning but really he was comparing Catholic Bible theology in relation to Planet X. He concluded it was all BS. Hehehehehehehehe. Whichever way the wind blows is cool with me.

    I still say there is a neutron star out there lurking around that causes problems to the solar system itself. He is correct about Venus as its orbit is opposite of all the rest of them etc.

    Still its a nice blog to read Vara, hehehehehehehe

    Daveyo

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  169. Part Two of Quatrain C10 Q72
    “In the year 1999 and seven months
    The Great, King of Terror shall
    come from the sky. He will bring to
    life the King of The Mongols. Before
    and after, Mars reigns happily.”
    C10 Q 72
    In terms of Astronomy, the planet MARS is
    closer to earth today, then it has been in
    the last 60,000 years as of 27 AUG 2003
    AD.
    In terms of Astrology, MARS is the ancient
    god and planet that influences War.

    Part Three of Quatrain C10 Q72
    “He (Comet) shall bring to life
    the king of the Mongols.
    The resulting destruction (famine) caused
    by the Comet Planet will cause CHINA to
    go to war (King of Mongols). After An
    Asteroid Crashes Into The Ocean.
    Nostradamus tells us two more facts about
    the passing of NIBIRU, The Comet Planet.
    There will appear towards the
    seven stars of Ursa Minor and Polaris
    Not far from Cancer,
    The Bearded Star
    Susa, Siena,Boeotia, Great Rome
    will die, the night having vanished
    C6 Q 6.
    Nostradamus sees NIBIRU, The Comet
    Planet coming toards Earth from Cancer,
    from the south, passing thru the Big Dipper
    to North Star.
    The Great Star will blaze for
    Seven days, The Cloud will cause two
    suns to appear.
    The Huge dog will howl at night
    When the great pontiff will
    Change lands.” C2 Q41
    Nostradamus sees the Comet Planet
    visible to earth for seven days. It will bring
    destruction upon BRITAIN (great dog)
    Rome and The Vatican (pontiff).
    me from the sky. He will bring to
    life the King of The Mongols. Before
    and after, Mars reigns happily.”
    C10 Q 72
    In terms of Astronomy, the planet MARS is
    closer to earth today, then it has been in
    the last 60,000 years as of 27 AUG 2003
    AD.
    In terms of Astrology, MARS is the ancient
    god and planet that influences War.

    Part Three of Quatrain C10 Q72
    “He (Comet) shall bring to life
    the king of the Mongols.
    The resulting destruction (famine) caused
    by the Comet Planet will cause CHINA to
    go to war (King of Mongols). After An
    Asteroid Crashes Into The Ocean.
    Nostradamus tells us two more facts about
    the passing of NIBIRU, The Comet Planet.
    There will appear towards the
    seven stars of Ursa Minor and Polaris
    Not far from Cancer,
    The Bearded Star
    Susa, Siena,Boeotia, Great Rome
    will die, the night having vanished
    C6 Q 6.
    Nostradamus sees NIBIRU, The Comet
    Planet coming toards Earth from Cancer,
    from the south, passing thru the Big Dipper
    to North Star.
    The Great Star will blaze for
    Seven days, The Cloud will cause two
    suns to appear.
    The Huge dog will howl at night
    When the great pontiff will
    Change lands.” C2 Q41
    Nostradamus sees the Comet Planet
    visible to earth for seven days. It will bring
    destruction upon BRITAIN (great dog)
    Rome and The Vatican (pontiff).

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  170. Pl. Ignore the repeated text.

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  171. I’ve just about read enough. You say this object is creeping up on us from the south pole region. So we can’t see it. We have plenty of eyes in the sky and non of them report this creeping aspect. How do you people come up with this garbage. A 75,000 meter spaceship. UFO’s over Thailand. I live in Bangkok, I haven’t seen a blip. Again, just where is this 75K meter long spaceship. Hogwash, balderdash, poppycock.

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    • ALOHA DING DING.
      Unfortunately, you did not read the thread All the way through. Its never a good idea to post until you have all the information available.
      Lets start with the south pole.
      Its not Because of the south aproach that we cannot see it, that would only make it Mildly difficult. IF you had continued to read, you would have found out that the common belief is that this mass is likely a brown dwarfe star which reflects almost No light but instead absorbs it. And That is the reason it has not been obvous to normal tellescopes.
      You need the right kind of large infrared tellescope to get it.
      As for the 75,000 mile long UFO’s, I honestly Want to stand with you on that one, but, as hard as it may be for me to accept, I keep getting new evidence of such craft leading me to speculate that it might, just Maybe, be possible after all.
      If you ask me to make a final s=descision on what little I currently have though, Ill still say Nope. not THAT big.
      Unfortunately the Ring makers near saturn have my math for the subject all garbled now. le sigh. The Giant spheres which can periodicly be seen between us and the sun are almost certainly small moon in sized. Mind you, even small moon sized craft STILL are Not 75,000 miles across. Maaayyyyybe 5000. but that still boggles my damn brain.

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  172. Greetings Ding Ding

    What a name, but anyway, yes they were over Thailand and I am located in Nakhon Sawan, and saw them on Novebmer 19, 2010 for 6 solid hours. Where were you, cause they headed over to Bangkok and did a hell of a show doing the Big Dippers and many star signs. 4 of them hovered right above my house and damn were they close indeed.

    The 75,000 estimated mile ship is hanging around the Sun, and it can be seen on SOHO and some of the subjects are on this website that is quite titilating so to speak.

    As of this object creeping up from the south not sure which of the two you are refering to. Asteroid Elenin is going to come up from the south to northwest direction. Its due to pass us right between us and the moon based on the latest projection and this sucker is 3,000 miles in diameter. A 5,000 km piece of rock. How big is it, the size of USA from east cost to west coast. The potential to hit us is still there depending on the gravitational pull from the sun, and we will know its true course once it swings around it to become visible to us. If it is going to hit us stay tuned here cause we will give the advanced warning. The governments won’t tell you this shit till its about 2-3 days before it greets us at our back yard.

    Actually when something of that size approaches above you, you will see it, but the pressure surrounding you will increase and the temps will begin to rise prior to impact. You will be dead before it hits you anyway. As for the rest of the world its bigger than the Dino rock. Needless to say what will ensue after it strikes us.

    If its Nibiru, don’t worry cause its not going to do a damn thing to us. There is no such object around within our solar system yet its gone viral so what the hell let it ride ehhh. Gives them something to bicker about anyway.

    If there is something of such sort its probably a neutron Star lurking around and its about the size of 25km at most but packed with a magnetic wallop cause if it came anywhere near us, all the metal on this planet will get sucked up by it. hehehehehehehehehe. Its basically a space magnet so powerful and it has so much energy it can power this entire planet for thousands of years if we were able to harness it somehow.

    Now about your gibberish, and poppeycock and hogwash, and balderdash, wonderful mr. English. Only the Brits speak these words. So if you kinda were outside for awhile instead of in the red light district in Bangkok, maybe perhaps you might see a different world besides the honey I got something you want deal. ehhh, besides the spirits flowing non stop from the tap!!!

    Since you are a foreigner in Thailand you only are doing one thing and that is not working. hehehehehehehehehee.

    Have a good day

    Daveyo

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    • hey dav.
      Not gonna argue with youz today. Can you be a sport please though and grab me a link to what ever makes you think that elenin is an astroid not a comet, that it is the size you think it is, and that it will pass between earth and the moon? thankx. much needed VARA.

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  173. @Daveyo: I think you brought up an interesting point in potentially harnessing the power of the magnetic field of a neutron star. I’m curious as to whether this could be achieved on Earth, and if our own planet’s magnetic field could be effectively used to generate power! Interesting….

    When I spoke to you before about “active” and “dead” neutron star, I was thinking about harnessing the thermal energy, but didn’t consider the energy of the magnetic field.

    I will say that a neutron star would be more mass than our Sun (Ithey are usually between 1.4-2 Solar Masses), so if there is one lurking around, hopefully it is far away. If one simply entered our solar system, there would be massive perturbations, and it could potentially steal planet from the Sun or creating a binary system in which the neutron star and Sun orbit each other.

    I like your theory’s originality. I think it would be highly unlikely, but not impossible!

    Peace

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  174. Hi Vara

    Would love to give the information here on this site, however its under lock and key by the owner cause the information is credible 95% and yes I have dropped hints here and there. I have seen the pics of it, and has seen the astrologers analysis of it, and cannot post it here lest it might cause a super panic. The owner wants to play it safe and be absolutely positive of it and I think that is the way to go.

    Until it swings around the sun and when the new calculations are in I do believe the owner of the site will then post it and hopefully its the good news. How close will it be, let me put it this way, its close enough to raise all your hairs on your head. At present time its supposed to miss us but not by much in cosmic terms regarding AU. Without going any further, just keep your fingers crossed that the gravitational pull from the Sun does not alter its course.

    I can confirm Vara 97% its not a comet. Its definitely an asteroid. Its got no tail at all last sighting of it being July 2, 2011.. Comets usually always show their tails once they get inside the Mars to Earth territory especially when they get close to the sun. Not this one. Zippo on tail being a no show. Soon we will not be able to see it for the entire month of August. We will see it again in September.

    For now I would suggest you worry about Elenin and not this Nibiru. NASA has remained super quiet about Elenin for obvious reasons.

    The thing about this one, its coming from behind the sun as we look at it. Most comets/asteroids come towards us before it gets to the sun and we usually get a good decent view of it. In fact Russia and USA are having a spit spat about Apophos that is due to arrive after 2020. The odds of me seeing this one is very slim as age will nail me soon enough.

    Anyway Mercury, Venus and Mars and the rest of the planets will be quite far from it after it makes the swing. It did come close enough to Jupiter which did alter its course coming inbound.

    So hang in there and stay tuned to this channel OK.

    Daveyo

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    • Im sorry Dav ol Boy, but Im gonna have to call SHINNANIGANS on This one. (ie: Bull Sh!te)
      If the documentation exists you Post it, simple as That. Or what is this site called “Truth Behind the scenes” FOR?
      Cause a Panic? thats gov talk. its crap.
      If you cant or wont produce it, then you simply dont have it TO produce.
      If you dont have it to produce, then dont make Claims Based upon what you cannot support or back up. Dont want to cause a Panic? then why are you telling us these details to begin with?
      Sheesh.
      Shinnannigans!

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    • I agree with Vara. Anything you post on here would not cause mass panic. Chaos would only ensue if the government posted such information.

      SOMETHING is strange about Elenin. I personally do not understand why NASA has not officially revealed its size!! The only size I’ve found is the discoverer’s estimate, which is posted in Wikipedia. He says 3-4km, but I call bullshit. Give us the ACTUAL size NASA!

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  175. Oh boy, you guys have absolutely no patience here. Yes NASA completely shut down giving specific information concerning its size OK. The path also as well. We have a letter which spoke about its specifics. Also this has been confirmed by two well reputable astronomers and they told us to hold until they can officially confirm it. The owner agrees. With the new information punched in, the models and Earths position was calculated and done the whole picture completely changed.

    When we first heard about it, yes they said it was about 3-5km in size. This also was reported by NASA. However all this was reported before it entered the Jupiters region. At the same token some key elements in the calculations were not accounted for when it was first computed etc in regards to its estimated trajectory. They missed it or wanted to miss it deliberately in hopes no one would be persistent, we don’t know. Anyway when the two astronomers got some information when it reached the Jupiter region and some pics of it was taken and the size basically measured etc., and the trajectory was done after its orbit was perturbed and changed by Jupiter it stunned everybody (which was now computed and done by very sophisticated computer models with the new data inserted etc.,) and that is when NASA and its reports went off line.

    Vara, NASA also issued a e-mail advising its personnel to prepare and to get their affairs and emergency provisions in order after it passed the Jupiter region. Now ask yourself why would NASA do this???? ehhhh. They sent this out after they shut down the information and went into hibernation so to speak.

    This information that we have is after it passed Jupiter, and passed Mars and heading to the sun, when the proper calculations were put in its still go on the computer models of its trajectory and the size of Elenin is not being disputed anymore. The only thing left is the SUN. The Sun can alter its present course.

    Right now its due to pass us as given, but by just a hair in cosmic terms. Before it hits the Suns area, the models show Elenin is going to pass between us and the Moon!!!!! Keep in mind the moon is only about 350,000 miles from us OK. This is with the correct data put in and nothing missing.

    If the Sun changes its present course then it can go either way. Which way it is yet to be determined and pending.

    The picture of Elenin itself when it was taken when it was around Jupiter is HUGE considering the distance involved and it showed up very good. Its a slow revolving rolling type asteroid very gray with a dark background but the front that we saw was quite clear end to end. The best description I can give you it looks like a warped potato spud.

    When it swings around the Sun, eventually many will get to see it. The news on it will go viral as we know how things get when it really is an attention getter.

    The owner has this data, and I cannot do anything on it. The owner will release it once he determines it to be as close as possible known as the truth. So you can bitch all you want to me and call me every name in the book to your desires, but I simply don’t have the control over it now.

    Here is a hint. Part of this information was posted on this site (by someone else) and a link was given so search for it. I believe its on another thread for a specific reason.

    All I can say VARA and the other one, hehehehehehe, please chew on your own nails for now, and WAIT. Quit cutting me down and be patient for christs sake. We value your input but also want to be sure when we give this information out its reputable info is worthy for your interests because we know you quite well, cause you won’t hesitate being good investigators as you are you are going to smother it completely.

    Don’t worry cause the data will be given out well in advance to look, to check, and time to get the hell out if that being the case. Fair enough.

    For me I pray this monster misses us as its the very last thing we need especially now to experience Mr. Dino planting itself on Earth. For the Dinos era, its fine, but not now for us. We have come a long way and I would hate to see us starting all over again, then again we might not and all say goodbye.

    The odds are 55-45. Meaning missing us.

    Daveyo.

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    • Yeah, NO. Not buying it.
      If you have the data, you put it UP. its that simple.
      I can’t get on board a single source with a large claim and nothing any where else to remotely support it.
      You still havnt given any good reason for it Not being posted.
      If… IF it has a chance of being real, then as far as I am concerned still lacking any evidence to draw on, then it is just a large piece of space trash being dragged around by the real problem / culprit. Nibiru.
      Which is actually what I think ELEnin is any way at this point. just a big piece of debris caught up by a large unseen body.
      IF the person whom is running this site can hear me, if you Gots it, Post it. Short of your own personal safety, goveys at yer door and a dissapearance in the night scenario, i see No reason to with hold any thing ever. And frankly people at the door isnt even a good excuse.
      If Bob Dean can wistle blow, so can You.

      PS: the nassa messege to employee’s could be sent out for a number of reasons. My personal bet was that it was a messege to all people with a ticket to ride saying, “the bunkers are now ready, its time to pack your things and await the final call for transport to the archs.”
      ~ VARAKIENEN.

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    • I’m going to be honest, but I just want to say that from everything you have posted, you seem like an idiot who pretends to be “in the know.”

      Calling me the “other one” followed by “hehehehe,” I can only guess your age is that of an only slightly-educated person in their early 20’s. I think I’m wrong, but this is what your writing style portrays. Your writing seems very childish and I can only imagine who you are in real life.

      Everything you have posted has been random bullshit, from your question on the origin of the word Earth, to misunderstandings about neutron stars, to this post. I believe nothing that you say because it all half-assed research that you throw out, most of which is not true.

      Geez, I only wish those who support the existence of ETs were more intelligent and educated.

      Say what you want, but those who post on this site have greatly discouraged me from continuing to comment. I don’t need the approval of others. I only wished to share the information that I have collected from my research.

      Good day, and hopefully you’ll get your head out of your ass and do some proper research before posting random nonsense.

      @Vara, while you do get out of control sometimes, I think that you bring up much better points than “that guy.” I honestly like your points and you seem passionate and knowledge about that which you speak. I will continue to read your posts, but I highly doubt I will continue to comment anymore.

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  176. Really Vara

    You need a reality check here. If your thinking its a space trash being dragged around by Nibiru, you are sadly mistaken. First of all there is no fucking Nibiru OK. I have been trying to pound this into your intellectual brain for some time now, and knowing you are at least a smart person but wow, you are fixed on that Nibiru. It simply does not exist in our SOLAR SYSTEM. If such exists its way way out in no mans Universe OK.

    The ancients obviously saw something or knew something or put down something that the aliens told regarding their ordeal themselves. Not to mention the fact their descriptions at that time is totally different than ours today so in a sense its very hard to compare what they are meaning to say that matches of what we know of today. A real classic example of such is this Bible that the Catholics have concerning the revelation. Another is the Nostra q-trains loaded with riddles etc. What they described cannot be literally mean to say or match todays linguistic definitions, but can only be surmised to mean the possibility of this or that at most to have some idea of what they meant.

    In regards to finding the data, most of it is being kept off the internet for frickin obvious reasons Vara. This is the part you not understand. For example if you got arrested by the police will you tell the police everything relating to the offense in question. I would be surprised if you did which is suicidal at best unless they caught you red handed in the act itself. Take the Anthony case for example. Who killed the kid ehhh??? She was smart enough to confuse the police but her attorneys even confused the jury all the more so hmmmmm, without any conclusive proof, she gets to walk.

    This is the same in regards to Elenin. We know the size is greater than 4-5km with absolutely no doubt about it. We also know its not a comet either and its official definitely an asteroid. We also know with the proper data inserted to the computer models accounting for everything, the path of Elenin is much closer to us than is led to believe. Last of all based on the pics seen its official being a ROCK and not some space trash my friend. This ROCK (a very high) probability has IRON in it and that alone is definitely a super concern indeed. Its not ICE or Particle debris. Its definitely SOLID and it will break your hand if you hit it hard enough provided you are able to match its speed being 30 Km per second or 18 miles per second or 1,080 miles per minute or 64,800 miles per hour!!!!! It travels 1,555,200 miles per day. This speed will increase once it sling shots pass the Sun which will cause it to curve TOWARDS US. How much we don’t know yet but will know in about 40 days from now. Based on current trajectory, this one will be a one time visit to us. It will leave our solar system for good and will not return provided it not hit us or the moon. If I recall there is about 20 asteroids/comets that did pay us a visit but they will never return due to its speed that will escape the Suns solar gravitational pull and leave forever to wander into space. Its very much possible that Caesars comet (recorded from Ancient Roman times) is one of them, and the star (comet) of Bethlehem is another which was recorded by the Chinese and it is genuine. The star of Bethlehem will never return. In regards to Caesars comet, I am betting that it did make 3 or 4 other appearances every 450-550 years and the last one was around 1770. My guess is this Elenin came from another Solar System that it escaped from due to its size as seeing such only happens when a solar system is born and its nothing but a ping pong ball game with so many asteroids smashing into everything in its path. Look at the moon and the other moons as its tell tale signs of evidence is quite clear.

    Your assumption regarding NASA tipping off the employees etc is far fetched and way off base.

    I will however admit I sure hope to tap you as one of the jurors if I ever become a defendant on any legal case. Cause you’re the type that wants EVIDENCE and proof etc and so forth.

    I never said people at the door Vara. I said the/a ROCK can pay you a visit right outside your door. In reality Vara, it has happened. In Chicago one evening a loud smashing noise took place and it startled many people. The owner took a look up at their ceiling in the living room, having a nice large holed thru the roof, thru the floor and buried itself below the basement concrete!!!!. This little meteor did make it to the ground. Slim as it be, it still can happen anywhere on this planet.

    I see you said something to the owner. hehehehehehehehheeee. The owner has already expressly told me in so many words etc., what the owner wants to do with that information, and I defer to the owner. I have my limitations Vara.

    Anyway sit tight and fasten your seat belts OK.

    Daveyo

    PS lots of UFO sightings VARA ongoing. Check them out.

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    • WOW, Dav, just….. wow.
      So many wrongness’s here. Not sure where to start.
      You know what? I dont think I’ll even Bother this time round.
      It doesnt matter if I once again through so much evidence at your case that it crumbles like hard cheese. It simply wont change your thinkings.
      I wonder, Maybe I’ll leave this one for Nate to deal with.
      Any way, we shall see the truth of it when the time comes either way.
      Since communications will likely be Down by then, Ill just say My “I toldja Soz”, Now.
      Hugz Dav.
      Nate…? care to give it a try?

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  177. wow nate, Ouch.
    I was hoping you would just set some of his research and details straight but Ok.

    Hmm, I been wrestling with a notion of late.
    There are those that believe Nibiru is actually just a big ball of iron several times larger than earth but of tremendous mass.
    I was wondering how that would be possible as I dont see such a body forming out of Iron.
    Then it occured to me that from Hydrogen and helium and slow fission doz Iron commeth. Especially if there is a lack of deuterium.
    So, what if then, nibiru isnt so much a brown dwarf STAR, but is now a brown dwarf stellar core fragment?
    Less the size, similar the mass.
    Most of the mass would still be there as the elements condense in on them selves and turn to an iron core during the cool down. With so Very many close passes to our sun inside murcuries orbit, I can see the remaining gasses being torn away from the brown dwarf to leave the core behind. tho, that is just conjecture.
    I have heard if it described as a dark metalic object which reflects little light but which has a messy ring of iron oxide gasses about it in reddish hue. the wings? and if it is trailing debris similar to a comet in its orbit, that could still acount for the description of Bearded star.
    Its smaller darker size would make for even less ability to spot it, as compared to a jupiter sized dark burnt out gass giant.
    Descriptions that Anunaki come from and perhaps Live on nibiru would be a little more possible with a solid surface rather than a gasseous one. Although, I have always suspected that the translated material that says this object is where they came from was in ere.
    It has always been my contention that the dwarf star has large moons, even planet sized, and that THAT is where the Anunaki dwell. possibly even that one of the Moons was called nibiru, not the dwarf star at all.
    and that lack of proper interpretation has led us to call the dwarf star nibiru, rather than the prominant moon about the dwarf that they reside on.
    Im not saying this is my final and actual belief, only that it is a notion that I have had for some time.
    I have no firm set belief here with out better evidence to support it all. But…. Daveyo, I Do believe there is simply To much evidense to support that Nibiru IS a real stellar body that visits our core system repeatedly causing much chaos and destruction with each passing.
    How you can ignore that and instead go to a rather near impossible notion like a neutron star, which is very nearly a black hole, so close to our system but as yet undetected, is beyond me. it Just doesnt work, logicly or mathimaticly im afraid Daveyo.
    It would warp our sun, cause elongated orbits of all the planets, more than likely it would have stolen all decent sized planet bodies away millions of years ago. The war for gravitaional control over the planetary bodies would have at Least torn most of the planets apart.
    We simply cannot have another stellar gravitational body of eaqual or greater mass than the sun in the equation. which is why a brown dwarf star fits so much better. that AND the fact that brown dwarfs, especially the old low mass ones are So hard to detect.
    well, ill rest with that.
    have a good one dav. and Nate….?
    I hope you still post.
    I am an ass and an idiot at times I know, But im actually here to gain info, not spread it. every once in a while some one throws out a tidbit I was not yet aware of and I gather it up and see where it fits into the bigger picture/puzzle. Please dont stop providing tidbits.
    ~VARAKIENEN.

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  178. Nate does not have to give it a try Vara. Why you have to drag him into it??? Secondly, Nate I am way older than that and more than enough to be your father so to speak, and not judgmental on writing but again this is not a exam or an application for a job to rate people based on how they write. Your assessment based on how people write is so full of holes it needs major overhauling and quite frankly it should be trashed into the garbage can. Basically I am saying its not reliable. OK.

    As Luke once pointed out to you (not to Nate) and I have done so in subtle terms, it has not even made a dent inside your head and you flip inside out when confronted head on OK. So, if you want the damn info so bad, find it yourself.

    If your so smart, lets put it this way. Start your own site!!!! Why not??? Whats keeping you???? If you have the evidence then post it on your site???? No problem right. Why you have to rip into others here? But when you do, please make damn sure the primary number one requirement to make a post you must present evidence in your site to your members. I can guarantee you that you will be lucky to have maybe 10 members if any at all.

    As to Nate sorry of mentioning you being the other guy. Never meant to offend you and was tired and could not remember clearly. Hope that helps.

    I speak of in general terms here, not the intense astronomical terms, not the intense Master degree terms, not the intense collegiate terms. This site also loves to speculate and guess and hopefully also tell/reveal the truth when deemed necessary. If you like to have a website of people when they make a comment to prove everything they say with evidence then goddamn it start your own site. Providing evidence is totally voluntary here and its not a pre-requisite or a requirement to make a comment or post anything on this site. Get your shit together OK.

    I have made some predictions here on this site and it has come true. I did not have any evidence to back it up and went with a gut feeling based on real past events. If I told you I was an alien, you are just the type to ask prove it with evidence. If your Nibiru exists PROVE IT. Since its supposed to be 4 times the size of Jupiter it should not be hard to find. Yet no one can find it. Don’t give me this or that meaning ancient texts, or mayan calendar or some other BS, prove it exists in Space right now and its in our Solar system with a godamn picture!!!!!!. If not, then the issue is settled and done. Yet its gone viral so why fuck with it. Best to let it go viral till it comes to past and it will settle down.

    As of a neutron star its only about the size of a city in diameter meaning around 25km. In miles this is only 15 miles and when you look at space, this is a tiny little object to spot considering the vastness of space itself. Read up on it in Wikipedia to at least understand it should be fair enough.

    Vara your critical evaluations on posts from others is beginning to grate on others nerves. Been trying to avoid saying this to you, but you forced this call and not me.

    Granted you like to get involved but your demands for proof and evidence is getting a bit too much. I suggest you cool it for awhile. You also made an accusation to another member here claiming to be a govie trolley and ever since then that member has not responded. This site gets 50,000 visitors per day.

    Enough said

    Daveyo

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  179. Its called a Debate Daveyo.
    You express your beliefs and contentions and provide evidense which may or may not provide uncontestable proof, and then I express and provide mine. thats how debate works.
    We do our best to keep it friendly with out attacking the person them self, but staying on topic.
    In my last post to You, I kept to the topic and made no attacks on you.
    I Only tend to attack when my mental chemestry is off due to a bi-polar event, which i have little to no control over.
    This is not the case at the moment.
    And by the way, I give as good as I get. I dont Just give.
    Now, back to the topic.

    Daveyo. I already HAVE proof of nibiru. I have photo’s and I have a computer model of it. But I cant show it to you right now for “obviouse” reasons. wink.
    Seriously, I dont actually ask for proof and proof alone. I ask for evidense, which is not always proof. Any thing which can up hold a conjecture or speculation will be fine. At Least some thing to show why you have come to the conclusions that you have come to. Thats what I ask for, and would accept. Though, hard core difinitive proof would be Nice for once, I never actually expect it.
    If you have an opinion or theory, then state it. if you state it, try to have some thing to back it, and if you dont then at Least admit that it is Merely an opinion and conjecture, Not that it is a fact that you cannot provide any support for what so ever.

    Now, let me tell you a little more about neutron stars and the like.
    We dont tend to Find black holes, neutron stars and other high density stellar remnants by sight. we find them by the effects they have on objects or gass’s around them, and by the radiations either given off of them or light or radiations that they are bending.
    the size of your suspected neutron star has little at all to do with it what so ever. size is not always an indicator of mass, especially with core fragments or stellar remnants.
    Listen Dav, you cannot take this as a personal attack on YOU, its simply Not. It is how ever an debate on our two hypothesis. Thats ALL.
    Good chattin with ya mate.
    ~ VARAKIENEN

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  180. I thought Elenin and the dwarf star were the same thing. But, I would like to say this, I am absolutely enjoying this debate. I do not post much because if you remember, almost half my town was wiped out by a F5 tornado, been rather busy around here and not much time. I do have all your comments sent to me so I know whats going on in pieces throughout the day. Cheers!

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  181. @ Tami

    Elenin- Comet/Asteroid (debated)

    also theorized to be a moon of Nibiru, this is based upon its odd movements as recorded by Russian astronomers.

    Nibiru- Planet/Dead Star (debated)

    said to be 4 times the size of Jupiter as mentioned by ancient Sumerian texts, also theorized to be the home of our creators. It is said to pass through our solar system in a binary star ellipse every 3500years

    hope this clears up the basic facts :)

    Luke

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  182. Hi. Just a quick clearification.
    when speaking of Nibiru in comparison to Jupiter, it has become a Very common misconception that when refering to its mass, people instead use the term size.
    Size and mass are not always related.
    Nibirus actual size is ENTIRELY Unknown as yet.
    How ever, based on the effects that it seems to have on other planets, it would likely have the “Mass” of aproximately 4 X Jupiter.
    This would put it in the class of a Low density Brown dwarf star, which by the way is “Believed” to likely be about the same size as Jupiter, give or take a little.
    ….Just sayin. ;)
    Just 4 times more massive.

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  183. why do people think the world will end?
    is planet X real or not?
    i think that people should just say if it is real or not and not go off saying that the world is going to end becuse of some unknow planet.if it is real and it can kill all living things on earth then yea go tell people and help them live.if humans die today then who would do what we r doing right now.

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    • Hi cards.
      Dont mistake the notion of “the world will end as we Kow it” for “the world will End Utterly”.
      There will be cataclysmic events, but the earth and humanity will go on.

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  184. Knowledge parted is knowledge gained.

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  185. Hello Vara & Daveyo

    I’ve read many articles including this one and every single comment that has been posted. I must admit it’s great to see so many like minded people who share many the same views. And what a debate!!!!

    I’m a tattoo artist and I reside in the states. I’m of no great intelligence and like everyone else hear I’m just trying to put the pieces together

    If I may interject between the to of you
    Daveyo. What I think Vara has been trying to say the whole time is, simply stop stating your claims (speculations) as if they are proven fact. Simply make it aware for the people on the outside looking in, that its only conjecture. I myself have (being on the outside) been very confussed be many of your claims. Wondering what evidence you might have, that is leading you to the conclusion. Secondly I find you to be a little hypocritical. When ever a theory is based from a religious point of view, you have been so quick to debunk it. Telling people there is no room for that line of conjecture here. Who do you think you are? Do you have all the answers? Are you apart of some secret society of astrologers and scientist?…….. Because I highly doubt it.
    No one knows what the upcoming events have in store for us. Which is why every theory is important. I myself am not a religious man but I’m conscious enough to know that, my own speculations are just that. Theory! Everyone here deserves the respect of being heard just as you have been. Take note, this is not a personal attack on you Daveyo. I have enjoyed your views/theories. And tho I disagree with most of them, it’s still interesting.

    Vara, I’m very interested in hearing more about your theories. As they are much the same as my own. From all the data gathard and speculative theories i heard I’d have to agree with much you’ve said.
    A while back you had a question regarding our calendar systems/time lines. My conclusion is this: thru out our history we have changed our calendar system many times. And from what I’ve found, we have lost many days and weeks at each change. When Julius Cesar changed it to his Julius calendar we lost several weeks that were not accounted for. The same has happened when we changed from Julius to our current calendar year. Not to mention others further back in history Based on the information I’ve gathered. I think this would explain alot about why dates are seamingly wrong. Could 12-2012 really be 10-2011? No one really knows, but it’s something to think about

    Derek

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    • Thanx for that Deerk. I keep forgetting that detail.
      Most people think that our way of measuring time and counting says has been the same through out all of history.
      We forget that we our selves have changed the means and method of the system in many cultures through out history, and that even conquered nations have had new systems forced upon them by the concquerers. Whom re-write history to suit thier own agenda’s and propogandas. God, the Bible, the Poor dissected and re-written BIBLE! lol.

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    • Can I get an AMEN! Thank you Derek, you have rekindled my interest in posting. I’m sure Vara missed me ;)

      Also Daveyo, you should say you’re old enough to be my father when you don’t know my age. If I was 45-50, you might unintentionally date yourself. Don’t make an ASS out of U and ME. And, I wasn’t angry, just annoyed by your idiocy, arrogance, and presumptuousness. Whether my “theory of writing style” holds true or not is a matter of opinion, and I respect yours, regardless of how much “water it holds.”

      Anyway Derek, I have often wondered if those who calculated 2012 as the end of the Mayan calendar did take into account these changes. Because 12-21-2012 is the day of the winter solstice, which is a natural alignment, I feel like it could be correct. But perhaps you are right, and perhaps the years are off of people mistranslated the timeline. Does anyone have research on this subject? If I have more time to thoroughly research it, then I’ll repost!

      My theory: This article talks of a huge, relatively cold, celestial body that is potentially four times the mass of Jupiter. I believe that this is Nibiru from what I have read in Sitchin’s The 12th Planet, which draws it’s conclusions from Sumerian writings. It makes sense that Nibiru would not come into our solar system until late 2012, and articles like this serves to slowly increase awareness.

      In my opinion, a general rule of thumb to prevent panic is to slowly introduce topics into the public. First, an internet rumor. Then, a “maybe it exists” news article. Next, a story on the news. Finally, an official disclosure by government authorities. Of course, this is very simplified, but you get the idea.

      I believe that Comet Elenin is simply a part of the Revelation, as told (albeit with alterations) in the New Testament. While it may cause some destruction, or it may not, it makes more sense to me that, if anything, it is part of the Rapture. Especially with the article in this post, it makes more sense that Elenin would be something other that Nibiru, though I DO agree that Elenin is much larger than it’s current Wiki estimate at 3-4km.

      Guess we’ll have to wait and see!!

      Payce

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  186. /watch?v=mgrh-tIR9Yg&feature=r­elated This is a good video debating the planet/comet. Makes sense to me that it is in its own system. Any thoughts?

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  187. HEY…!
    Has any one else Seen this incredibly nasty /lie attempt on Nasa’s part to Debunk and Missinform about Nibiru?
    Get online and add you OWN coments under it peeps. I am frightened at the responses of those whom believe the article with out questioning it. My own response is about 49th down.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/believers-mysterious-planet-nibiru-await-earths-end-103803162.html

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    • Hey Vara, I responded too (just now). Eff that article, although I expected such responses. They simply have either not done the research or have not approached it with an open mind.

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  188. Hmmm, I have taken note. You guys love Nibiru, then go for it. Its already gone viral so what the hell.

    I will not make any further comments on it. Done.

    Enjoy yourselves.

    Daveyo

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    • We still Wuv youz Dav.
      Its just that the Brown dwarf Nibiru hypothesis fits the best so far.
      It could be wrong, sure. But till some thing comes up that makes better math and logical sense, this is what we have, so this is what we are exploring.
      Chin up ol buddy. ;)
      Its all Good.
      ~ VARAKIENEN. aka Grant Moon.

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  189. wow, I posted again and now I do not see the post. I will try again
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgrh-tIR9Yg…if it works please let me know what you think..thanks

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  190. While keeping a track of earthquakes and sunspots i feel it is possible to correlate the current events happening in our solar system to an unknown force. Earth will not react on its own, there has to be some other force which brings out the present earth changes which is evident to us. I will appreciate daveyo’s input on this.e current events happening in our solar system to an unknown force. Earth will not react on its own, there has to be some other force which brings out the present earth changes which is evident to us. I will appreciate daveyo’s input on this.

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  191. DAVEYO.
    I may be willing to concider the notion of a VERY distant dark companion to our sun with an near eaqual gravitaional force to it.
    You suggest a old burnt out neutron star.
    I can concider it Only if it is so very far away that it never ever has a great deal of effect on the planets in our system but Only serves to effect our own suns orbit in a circular pattern of its own which causes the procession of the equinox. a 24000-ish year cycle.
    This means your dark body does not come near our system at all but has enough distant force to move our sun.
    …How ever, I STILL strongly believe that there is a large gravitational force which actually Enters our system every 3600 years like clock work, causing disasters on a cataclysmic scale with some of its closer passings to earth. This is likely a brown dwarf or Brown dwarf steller core remnant.
    It will have a reddish loose band about it very dimly lit at best, likely iron oxide gass’s, and it Will have a massive loose tail of debris it has collected on its journies in and out of our system through the oort and kuper belts.
    It is a strong contention of mine that it is likely in the same orbital inbound trajectory as Comet Elenin, which is Not the brown dwarf it self, but merely a large comet that is caught up in the dwarfs path and gravity field. I believe Elenin will preceed the dwarf on a very similar trajectory by as much as 1-2 months maximum. And that elenin is our warning sign.
    Much new/old data, is making me come around to your notion that we may have a very massive dark companion out there that is Not this brown dwarf.
    If we class the dwarf as a star, then we may be in a trinary system.
    But i believe it is actually wiser to class it as a failed star and a planet, and call us a Binary system with a as yet hidden dark companion very far out.
    Among the newer evidence I subscribe to is this video, “the great year” with naration from james earl jones.
    Enjoy.
    ~ VARAKIENEN.

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  192. True face of earth today. . . . http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/

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  193. DAVEYO your take on this news please. . . . . . Three giant alien spaceships are heading for
    Earth! Scientists predict they will arrive in
    November of 2011. UFO encounters continue
    to increase – as documented on WWN. And
    now scientists at SETI (Search for
    Extraterrestrial Intelligence), an independent
    non-commercial organization, made a major
    announcement: “Three giant spaceships are
    heading toward Earth. The largest one of them
    is 200 miles wide. Two others are slightly
    smaller. At present, the objects are just
    moving past Jupiter.

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  194. Raj. Can you link us to the original material please? it deserves its own thread if it is published online some where.
    ~VARAKIENEN.

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  195. Never mind Raj. I remember this story now, I even have a few links here on my own computer.

    http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/22-12-2010/116314-giant_spaceships-0/

    http://newsnews.org/?p=3156

    Hoax – http://www.hoax-slayer.com/giant-spacehips-seti-hoax.shtml

    I wouldnt put much into this article Raj. there simply isnt enough to support its validity. And things like…. Haarrp discovered it beyond pluto? thats NOT what Harp does.
    ~ VARAKIENEN

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  196. Granted we are being swamped with a lot of information its coming faster than we basically can digest.

    Here is some of the things that have been happening.

    Since we have a solar system it is also very much possible we are in a binary star system. Seems many others from what we see from telescopes etc also have the same set up. I also have to believe that the sun is also revolving around in our galaxy. It simply does not stay in one spot in space. It seems logical that everything has motion of various degrees, and since everything has motion nothing remains in one spot. With this in mind gravitational forces also increase and decrease as well. So for the most part I tend to agree we within our solar system is part of a binary star system and our sun is also revolving around in the Milky Way Galaxy.

    Another issue is of Elenin which is not a comet but an asteroid of immense size. What is particularly noticeable, very few astronomers are talking about this asteroid like they do with Halleys, or Hale-Bopp and Shoemaker etc. Why have they remained quiet up to now??? Some say it will miss and some say it will make impact.

    Another is the webcams showing some very unusual activity going on at the South Pole. There is an object that seems to appear and disappear at will on its own volition. Its possible that this is not a planet but some well hidden ship that has the capability to cloak itself going invisible and uncloaking itself making it visible.

    We are about to be visited by 4 asteroids this year.

    Lots of UFO activity last year being 2010 and again in 2011. They obviously are here

    Glaciers have been breaking away of immense sizes. The one in northern Greenland just busted apart. We have also seen such huge breaks take place down in Antarctica and now are floating ice islands.

    Also a lot of tectonic plate activity, and volcanos popping around here and there.

    A lot of political unrest all around the globe. Not to mention the economy engine stalling here and there, the threat of a good size recession or depression is real.

    Now some say we got 3 ships from the Jupiter region heading towards us. Anybody got any pics of it???

    The weather patterns around the globe has been changing more than its normal routine. Now USA is experiencing its second massive heatwave the last two years. Prior to this, tornados of incredible power already said hello. Prior to that USA and Britain and many parts of the world experience a very cold snowy winter Now the Hurricane season is about to begin, and yes so will typhoons as well.

    We have come across massive buildings during archaeology discoveries, and it makes us wonder how the ancients had such capability to build these huge structures, be able to move these massive stones weighing hundreds of tons and even do projects of massive colossal means into rock granite stone on a mountain compared to what we do today. Granted it can be done like we have in USA, (the 4 presidents in S.D) but they had primitive tools compared to what we have today They even have a ancient airport (sort of) with a runway being 3 km long south of Cairo out in the desert and estimated to have been built 4,000 years ago!!!! located at Egypt for example. South America has the same as well. We also find that there are some things of similar means at different places around the globe. China, Mexico and Egypt and even in India. Just to build the temple mount in Jerusalem there is a record of how many people participated in the building project which gives you a nice clue of the population at that time. Also on some of their shindigs, they have recorded well over a few million during their festivals entering Jerusalem!!!! It will not surprise me that in ancient times we had a world population of perhaps a billion or two maybe even three in existence. Today now 2 thousand years later we have almost 7 billion and by 2030 its projected to reach 9 billion. In the meantime Earths resources is being used up more rapidly than ever than it can produce for us.

    So where do we stand today with all this going on, and struggling to make ends meet, to have jobs, pay our bills and not lose our lives to the governments greed, and deal with all the controversy regardless of what it is, and still have time to go to bed and have sweet dreams ehhhh.

    Additionally whats the bottom line here with the UFO’s now into the picture, the supposed Nibiru sneaking around, sightings of weird things at remote places, and actual eyewitness accounts of strange events that humans themselves cannot create.

    I leave all up to you to guess, to figure out, to speculate, to hypothesis the issue and to offer any opinion. I am just one of the voices crying out in the wilderness asking for answers and the truth as well as many others, looking for a solution to the problems, trying to understand the events as it unfolds before us, and trying not to overstep my bounds of thinking lest I go insane and join the looney tooney farm as some others already have in the past.

    Have a nice day

    Daveyo

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  197. Keep the theories coming! Eventually we will piece them all together. Carl Calleman has studied the Mayan calendar for years, it is linked to evolution of consciousness. We are in the final wave and it actually ends on 10/28/2011. It stands to reason that we would have a celestial event propogate this evolutionary event. All religions have some truth, we must piece it all together to find the answers…

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    • Searching.
      I have Several differing dates as to the supposed end of the Myan calender. With no way to prove or disprove any of them, and I dont know Which one is actually the correct one.
      I Highly suspect that there is a dissinformation campeign telling us the date is in late 2012.
      Can you Please send me any and all Links to material that can show your date in some official capacity as perhaps being the right one? This is Very VERY important to my Own research.
      many thanx.
      ~VARAKIENEN!

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  198. piece of the puzzle

    daveyo, you would do yourself and everyone on here a world of good by ATLEAST reading one of the late Zecharia Sitchins’ many great life works, like for instance “Genesis Revisited”, or “The 12th Planet”, “The wars of Gods and Men” and so on. You are on the right track, but you cannot simply discredit him by not believeing anyone could possibly know what is writen in the Sumerian texts. Just look at the first book and your eyes will be opened to a world of knowledge that you yourself are only scratching the surface of….

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  199. To Pieces,

    I have no access to the material where I am located. However when given the opportunity I will take a look at it.

    Thanks

    Daveo

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  200. piece of the puzzle

    would like to say that I am no professor or scholar, and profess not to believe that in the last 4 yrs I have been on a mission to find truth which we ALL on here are searching for. When I read the ennnnnnntire thread I knew I was not in the same intellectual class as you fellas, BUT, IF y’all would/could spell check and use proper grammer your stories would have more gravity with the rest of us “dummies” who can and do atleast proof-read our posts prior to pulishing them. I know you said that you can not see what you’ve typed, and if that’s try, then I understand the why and how of it happening, and I apoligize in advance, but some of the words are leading me to believe that IF you are as smart as you appear to be, thenwhy so many grammer errors?
    VARA, I believe you’ve read a few books by Mr. Sitchin and in having done so are quite possibly currently drawing most of the same conclusions as myself, but I don’t want to scare anybody off by telling them what to think or exactly what I think. I will say this though, our own government is and has been covering up valuable info and details for more than a 100 yrs., 9/11 was just one more in the LONG list. WTC building #7 was “pulled” as they call it in the demolition feild, even the owner of the World Trade Centers property admitted this on national television. That can’t be done in one day unless you have the explosives ready to go, which takes weeks of prep work. I believe it is ALL tied together so they could get more control, us the money generated to by their own way off/out of the impending doom, be it building bunkers to stealing the gold from Ft. Knox to do it.

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  201. Vara

    If you really really want to zero in on the date alleged on the Mayan Calendar, you will have to merge and sychronize all the known calendars that we have to date that is known to us, and they all must jive together like a heartbeat. I can tell you that the Catholic calendar is off by 7 years minimum because if they use the AD in their theory of when the Christ was born they are definitely off kilter. Also they did not count the zero year. If you count the 6 years of B.C, plus the Zero it will bring our current calendar to 2018 right now. Now you try to merge the Julian, the Roman, the Hebrew, the Egyptian, the Sumerian, the Macedonian, the Chinese calendar and they all must match plus I think 3 others. Once you have that all sychronized then you can get the fix on the Mayan Calendar to the exact year or every 3,600 years sequence whatever you want to do with it.

    Until that is done you will be guessing until doomsday. The only way to achieve this is using a computer to do all the work for ya. Yes if you have a computer to run all the calendars and the dates all the same time and fix the mistakes, yep it will give you the precise year we are in now. It can be done but I am not privy to the Pentagon puter that is capable of doing such a thing. Like they do with the genetic DNA sequencing. That kind of computer is what I am talking about here.

    People will argue that the zero should not be counted and they are wrong. It has to be counted because that is the end and start point. Example. 4BC down to 3BC down to 2BC down to 1BC down to 0 (which is neutral ends BC and starts AD) to 1AD to 2 AD and so on.

    In the Catholic Bible it states that the Christ was born BEFORE KING HEROD DIED which took place at 4BC.< Tomb found and date of death written inside the tomb. Based on the Star of Behlehem this event took place at 6BC.< Chinese Astronomical Records. King Herod ordered the killing of all babies born around Judea that are less than 2 years old.< Roman Records. All This is officially recorded.

    There you go. Have fun.

    Daveyo

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  202. piece of the puzzle

    Once again I aplogize, I’m posting from my so called”smart”phone, which has me wanting to bounce this POS off the nearest wall. However, I felt compelled to say a few more things. 1.) I am a 36 yr. oldconstruction “worker”, as I only work when I feel like it. Not lazy, just do my best to live in the desert an not be part of the system. My phone was given to my by my father who got tired of never hearing from me. 2.) I grew up as a skater who questioned “authority” at every interval in which we met. 3.) I used to do my homework, when I actually did it, to music, Metallica and the likes, which was slowly ingrained in my subconcious for all my days. Here recently I started to “isten” to the lyrics, not just hear the songs, and low and behold, almost ALL the music I enjoy tells of things that have started to take place in my last 16 yrs. I mentioned some of it to my father, which he theorized that this is the reason I’m “so fucked up”, which doesn’t bother me, I am open-minded and am looking for the bigger picture to life. I don’t/have not bought what they(powers that be) have been selling us since I was 15 or so, just didn’t/does not add up to me…

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    • Just listen to the new songs coming out now. The local station plays the same songs over and over and over all day long… Message in the Stars, It’s not the Money, ET, etc… Someone is telling us something, but nobody seems to be listening! Then when you wake up, it is too hard to find the truth. I have only been searching on this topic for about 4 months, but it is astonishing what I now believe, not even comfortable talking about it, just want to figure it out and continue to piece together clues. I have read two of Sitchin’s books, studied the Mayan stuff, pieced some Christian things in, Hopi and other prophecies and now it seems that I cannot turn the brain off at night. Sort of crazy. One Christian dude came up with 10/21/2011 from Bible code. I learn from others ideas from all spectrums and then put the pieces together where they may fit. Siddhar are also very interesting, do not need food or water to survive…. hmmmm….

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  203. Nice post. It gave me a good laugh. I suggest you listen to Kiss Music and Beatles Music. Both are good for the soul.

    Take care

    Daveyo

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      Daveyo

      Glad you can find humor in all this, as there isn’t much to be had, since we are talking about our being duped into believeing that “all is well”, just continue to send “us” (leaders) your tax dollars cause we know what to do and we will protect you. Just as they “helped” the indians right. I listen to what you had to all say and don’t judge you on your knowedge, please don’t think you’re “smarter” than anyone else on here, because like Vara has stated, there’s no evidence in your rebutals to bck up your “knowledge”, or atleast very little. I too, rely on knowledge based in some facts, which, given our current collective knowledge, is merely “catching up with” ancient knowledge that has been etched in stone all over the globe. I do believe in aliens also. I was seeing some unexplainable things happening in the skys over the Texas panhandle last night, 3 craft hauling ass across the sky at an extremely high altitude, but aliens are only a SMALL part of the BIGGER picture, like the NWO and global government trying to keep a lid on all of it…

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  204. I happen to post a comment at this site (below), and in a matter of 10 minutes or so it got removed. Here is what i wrote: “Dr. Bob, going through all the question and answers i presume that according to what you say, we all will be safe here on earth, like we lived in the past. Elenin will not pose any problems for us. Hope you have heard and read about UFO’s and aliens. How much do we know about them? I must say we know nothing. Do they have a role to play here on earth? We don’t know. In such a case will you agree with me, that certainty of we being safe here on earth will be a question mark”. The link: http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2011/04/04/comet-elenin-will-not-destroy-the-earth/

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  205. So is Dr Astrobob a NASA spin doctor?
    Do we believe everything he tells us in his blog site?
    Its just always one word against another as always so were n o better off knowing who is who and what is what!

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  206. @ Vara

    trying to figure out the exact time could be pretty hard. ive read the paper about the phantom time hypothesis. to which you can google and find out just about all you need to know on it. but it sounds crazy at first but it seems like there could be about 300 years missing which would put the 2012 theory a couple hundred years off. you should check that out. its a good read.

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  207. I’l be happy to start out with just the actual correct date from the stone tablets. Then, doing my own research on shifts in date and time keeping from there.
    But I cant even find a proval time for That! Ive heard difering dates from differing supposed mayan experts, and Im wishing people would stop selling thier date like its written in stone. (pun intended)

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    • Do you feel that 10/28/2011 is incorrect based on Calleman research? If so, please discuss the reasoning. I am open to all conclusions, as said before, I am merely trying to get all knowledge on the table and piece it together for myself. I am confused by Sitchen as he did not think Nibiru was returning anytime soon, and the fact that it orbited in an opposite direction from anything we are seeing now, plus would be seen in the South. Please help!
      Thank you! :)

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      • Search.
        Nobody out side the Iluminati elite camp has ALL the answers.
        Not stitchin, not Calleman, Nobody.
        Do remember that most of stitchens works are decades old. Much new information and archeological findings have come out since.
        We are all doing our best to catch up based on the few scraps that the powers that be miss or leak.
        I am not familiar enough with Callemans works to make a judgement on them, All I can say is I am not fond of his overly spiritual assessment and aproach to the materials. I prefer hard core scientific analysis.
        That being said, I am not qualified to assess the work my self and so, must accept the word and works of others to do it for me.
        And All of the specialists seem to be spouting different dates.
        My opinion is this.. . . . .
        WHAT The F-ck does the damn STONE say exactly you Mooks?
        Just give us the direct translation of the exact date it suggests.
        Dont try to interpret special religious meanings and add on a year, or subtract one because of your own personal opinion on thier cultural beliefs. Just give us the raw translated data already!
        i cant get a straight answer from any one.

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      • Vara,
        Consider this… You cannot find all the answers with science, and you cannot find all the answers with faith… You must merge science, faith, prophecy, and anything else that you can get your hands on. Engage it with a complete open mind that absolutely anything is possible in this universe and beyond… then get in touch with the feelings inside you, let them guide you to the closest thing that you can determine as truth. At this point you are at a new starting point, and you again begin the search, over and over and over until eventually you are comfortable with the result. But always share with others, as we are all one and in this together! We are all searching for the same answers.

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  208. piece of the puzzle

    Has anyone seem the stuff on numerology and the pope? Supposedly, 3/24/2012 is significant to those who know that the pope is signing dates to those in power through hand gestures known as numerology. This date is “supposed” to siginify the beginning of the NWO to the ruing elite. What if it signifies something else, like the beginning of the end of life as we know it, or worse yet, that it could be the date in which these powers jump ship on our asses, either going underground or loading up all their homies an leaving us to perish!?! Something to think about…

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  209. piece of the puzzle

    I think that the numerology date I listed above maybe very well be the day in which the powers that be will “dump” the American Dollar value and hyperinflation will insue… For anyone who might be concerned with the health and security of this GREAT Nation, watch the movie “Fall of the Republic”, which can be found on youtube ast I checked. Everything a person needs to know about the mess this country has “stepped in” can be seen. After which one can draw the conclusion that “they” (leaders in power) will LIE to their own mothers, much less us “serfs” that gave them that power.

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  210. piece of the puzzle

    and I’m fully aware those very same c*#ksuckers are watching everyone of us that speaks out, but they don’t scare me, death is the least of my worries when enslavement is the end outcome for us all…

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    • Piece,
      I might suggest that you are trying too hard. Open your mind to any possibility! If the powers knew what was to come in 1983, wouldn’t that explain the allowance of people to improve their quality of life by so much? The tolerance for debt, credit, lack of ability to pay back loans? There are numerous countries that are on the verge of default, and it is not being questioned or resolved, just allowed! Nothing is changing, just more of the same things that will lead to the same result. I feel this would be absolutely insane if they did not know something was going to occur in the very near future, and that the amount of debt one owes would not matter, but it had allowed them to live a higher quality of life (in their minds). In reality, it has worsened the situation, people are even more miserable and we no longer have the money for charities to help those that truly deserve a giving hand. Time will tell, not all will be lossed, only that that should be. Life on our planet will not end, many may, but overall, it will happen just as it has in the past and just as it should. I too have the feeling that we will emerge with new technologies and new consciousness that will not endanger the planet again. But I believe we have digressed the intent of this board, and that of scientific proof of something in the stars that is effecting our planet, which I fully believe exists, the ancients have told us that it exists, yet we still cannot see. With that, have not everyone heard that we actually have 3 comets approaching in the next couple months? Comet Honda will be here in August, Elenin aligned in September and closest in October, and Levy after them. Put all three together and you end up with the message H.E.L.

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      • piece of the puzzle

        H.E.L. on earth, that makes sense if religion is factored in.I like your thought process, lets HOPE that’s what “they” meant by that statement and life will continue.

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  211. One more interesting theory to which i feel every one here should go through! The link is: http://www.conspiracycafe.net/forum/index.php?/topic/16345-earths-rising-base-frequency/

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  212. Hi Piece

    If I were you I would not be so quick to agree with another person here regarding them saying I have no evidence to back up my rebuttals. I have taken note of that particular statement. First of all you should not be joining in such statement because many here are giving their opinions, hypothesis, speculations and just plain gut feelings and they are not required to give EVIDENCE to back up what they say here, although it would be nice but if not, do allow the person some room to say otherwise. Last of all even if they do have the evidence many will choose not to share it and its within their right to do so as to them its their own copyright material. In the event they do share it, many jump upon it and try their damnest to debunk it. Which when this happens it causes the person to think otherwise and in the future they keep it to themselves.

    I will leave it that, and let the debate continue.

    Daveyo

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      Daveyo

      I m not trying to choose sides, or point fingers, but you have flipflopped since your initial post, which is fine, new evidence comes to light often, makes us change or positions. However, I like being able to see the sources and info for myself rather than taking things at face value because so an so said this, an it becomes hearsay, so to speak. Now, I agree with you that aliens exhist, I too have seen many unidentfiable objects flying overhead, like when haley’s comet passed back in the early 1980’s I was 8-9 yrs. old, an I saw a cigar shaped metallic craft pass overhead during the afternoon. I didn’t think much about it then, but as I got older I saw another unexplainable craft making NO sound whatsoever coming straight for the vehicle we where parked in at low altitude, then it disppeared before our eyes. So I’ve been looking up lot more and seen a craft moving very rapidly across the night sky, all the sudden change direction in a v shape and never lose speed, then once again disppear. My point is, WE are all searching for the truth, and truth is based in facts, and facts can be checked and questions asked to make sure we are all on the same page, correct stanza, what have you. Just gonna say I like what y’all are doing, everyones helping me understand this word we call home. Thank you for your input.

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    • Daveyo,
      I for one, liked your theories and am awaiting the authorities approval to submit more! I need to know what this thing is, and soon. If the path is correct, we only have a couple months to know, but I suspect that the correct path is not published. I even had this thought today, that if it is Nibiru, we might be looking in the wrong direction (especially since no one can spot it). Sitchin believed in an orbit opposite of ours. If this was Nibiru, it would be coming clockwise, not counter… I do believe in the ancients knowing more than we, I just wish that it was written in something that we could understand instead of something that we have to interpret, and that they would have thought to pass it down from generation to generation in more than coded scripture that was written to control….

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        agree, IF nibiru is real, it supposedly orbits clockwise, it causes plutos ellpitical orbit, causes neptunes “weird” rotational habits, and destroyed a planet where the asteriod belt now resides. Saw some stuff on TV recently to back up Sitchins’ claims. Scientist believe “something is exherting gavitational forces on the outer planets…”

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        Let me clarify, one of Nibirus’ moons destroyed a planet where the asteriod belt resides, and our own moon was orbiting that planet, which is supposed to be the reason the moon is “too” big in comparison to ALL the other satellites orbiting planets in realtion to their sizes and the laws of physics.

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  213. Hello together
    cause you are nice and openminded people here, i will tell you my dream i had last night. in this dream nibiru was talking to me and tells me its true nature. It says: If you know the movie SPHERE than you know what i am really.”
    i think that says anything. maybe that is the reason the ELITE brings so much fear about it into this world…so the fear becomes reallty…in exchange good thinking can beat the plans of them…i think this is the best news to this “object” i can imagine. so lets say my dream is a true one and we get free from our fears and will think about good things to happen…than they will happen also and can beat the darkness.
    Yes, thats my Dream i had last night…and the most of my Dreams come true.
    With love from heart to heart
    Norrin

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  214. One more site which links crop circle with the year 2012. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2011g.html

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  215. Raj the crop circles are relevant but I am always bothered about this Mayan date as their is flaws in their actual calculations since they died out.
    The solar dating system that is the Gregorian calendar that you, we and I swear by, inherited a number of flaws in them. The most obvious one would be of the missing day every century, owing to the rounding up of 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 45.25 seconds to 3651/4 days in the Julian calendar that was used before the Gregorian one, which by the 16th century, saw to the ‘disappearance’ of 14 days! In addition, Pope Gregory, who authorized the conversion to the Julian calendar in 1582, shifted the calendar by 11 days, which saw the calendar leap from March 4, 1582 to March 15 the next day. In addition, the new calendar is still losing 30 seconds from the solar cycle annually. Add to the fact that the Julian calendar that was adopted by, who else, Julius Caesar in the eight century made a leap of 67 days to sync with the solar cycle, and upon his death, there were confusions with the methodology involved, with the most damaging being the three years leap years (instead of the now common four). Recalculating the Great Cycle in its entirety against the modern calendar, taking into account the faults and adjustments incorporated into it would reveal that the prophesized date would in fact be on October 28, 2011 – within weeks of Elenin’s projected perihelion, and more alarmingly, within 12 days of its forecasted perigee (closest orbital distance to the center of earth).
    So if the Mayans are correct then its going to happen sooner that we think so the maths from those crop circles are contradictive as all the above is actual fact therefore if nothing happens by October 28th 2011 or lets say up to Novemeber 9th 2011 then the Mayan prophecy is finished and they will of been wrong so I will not be bothering checking or researching anymore of these websites that predict the doom and gloom.
    I remain open minded and its been interesting learning but if I can still wake up on Novemeber 12th and breathe then am finished with all this doom and gloom research :)

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    • I feel you pete.
      Ive done similar calculations my self and have a different date than You.
      In the end, I dont think it will be Possible to get a date accurate at all simply because we Dont have all the distortions to the time keeping calculated. There are distortions that we are Not aware of which have occured and are not recorded, and then there is our own faulty records keeping of history and what we have done to it.
      ~ Varakienen.

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      • to make it accurate you would also have to compensate for the length of days as 5000 years ago the earth would have been spinning at a different rate than today, thus changing the length of the days/months/years. It may be marginal but everything counts.

        Luke

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  216. For argument sake suppose we omit mayan calendar, we are then left with crop circle to link with planetery alignments and sun’s reversal which does takes place in 2012. Elenin will create a damage in a smaller scale compared to the size of earth, majority of earth will be still intact. Earth is not going to turn upside down all of a sudden. The changes on earth is taking place but in a gradual manner, it will take some time before we really start to feel the force of the unknown. I feel it is too early to jump in to conclusion for this year. and sun’s reversal which does takes place in 2012. Elenin will create a damage in a smaller scale compared to the size of earth, majority of earth will be still intact. Earth is not going to turn upside down all of a sudden. The changes on earth is taking place but in a gradual manner, it will take some time before we really start to feel the force of the unknown. I feel it is too early to jump in to conclusion for this year.

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  217. HI Daveyo, i was reading all this page but couldn’t read it all.
    somewhere i read why as for summerians we mined gold for our creators. except for being a super conductor it has another functionality, its called monoatomic-gold, probably u might have herd if not try to google it. if what they say about it is true then this functionality is far more important then the metal.
    regarding the matter of the approaching planet i do belive and feel smth is on the way and this massive show off of aliens ships is really growing daily. it is obviosly a sign. ive read that by 2011 aliens will contact earth in visible mode. i do thnk this Planet -X is the same as the one mentioned in the summerian tables , that information has proved its credibility even tho not all tablets are fully translated or publicized. as for summerian the Nibiru has hit Tiamat once and from there it has passed near every ~ 3600 years causing troubles. its orbit hasnt been calculated by our ancient who left behind really astonishing documents and prob wont be calc by our scientists due to the trail of destruction that might follow.
    if this planet isnt Nibiru then it shall be an orphant planet without orbit. im guessing if sun is dragging that big planet or it doesnt bother its path at all.

    note: excuse my English im ot native.

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  218. A link about UFO’s secret. And i believe it never came in the main stream media. http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/12insiders/Bob_Lazar_001.htmleam media.

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  219. One weird thaught. When aliens land on earth i am sure that they will come to this land. Hope you all will agree with me. Link is here: http://in.ibtimes.com/articles/181644/20110717/gold-kerala-india-mythology-vaults-anthropolgy-gold-value-gold-culture.htm

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  220. Here is a mindblowing timelapsevideo from Australian Nightsky that you will never forget and you can see Nibiru in different angles and remember my post of my lucid dream from Nibiru…the secret the ELITE dont want you to know is:
    Nibiru is like the golden Object in the Hollywoood Movie SPHERE!!!! Here is the link to the unbeliveble and wunderful Video:

    Norrin Radd

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    • Norrin Radd did you derive you name from NORAD? the American border security arm of the army?

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      • LUKE.
        Norrin Radd was the mortal name of the silver surfer before Galactus imbued him with the power cosmic.
        Marvel comics DID how ever derive the name from exactly what you are thinking, as Stan Lee once admitted. ;)
        ~ (Know it All) VARAKIENEN. LOL.

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        Vara,

        Smartass, damn your good.

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  221. Mayan calendar 3 end dates and events
    2012 12 21 – event , Sun alignment with the center milk way
    2011 12 25 – date accept in the 70s by 2 tv documentary , event to happen according the 2 different documentary – big shake on earth and return from the gods
    2011 10 28 – according with Colleman by readjust on gregorian calendar – event , long alignment Sun – Earth – Saturn
    just curious

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  222. Sorry – a litle mistake – 2011 12 24 correct. NOT 2011 12 25 .

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  223. @ Luke
    VARAKIENEN makes the correct match. I dont like any form of government, because i am an adult and need nobody to say me what i have to do..i am following the center of love in my heart and nothing else matters… and NR is only one of my nicknames in the internet, the time to tell who i am really may come soon enough….;)
    Norrin Radd

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  224. Really, Norrin, and Vara and Sonic the time will come and tell you true. No one knows it all and I have been merely watching the comments so spoken.

    Out of you three, only Vara comes close to the truth due to his efforts, but Vara does not realize the true danger that is soon to come. Therefore since he loves data I have decided along with the owner to finally post this data to make all of you aware of what is happening and soon to happen not only to all the speculators here on all the topics but to the world. We all are in danger indeed.

    Most of my suspicions as I have said many times before is now coming around and being backed up.

    1. Elenin will not impact earth.

    2. Elenin is similar to like a Neutron Dead star, packing a wallop having a very powerful magnetic field. It will give us a small taste of what is soon to come about 1 year later.

    3. Vara is correct about Nibiru. But he does not understand how deadly this one really is. Nibiru is 8 AU behind Elenin which by the way Elenin is more like the lead announcer asteroid and its not a comet either.

    4. Uranus and Neptune received some severe perturbations from Nibiru when it passed thru their orbits.

    5. Saturn is the one that gave us the ultimate clue of Nibiru’s power. It flipped Saturn rather suddenly 90 degrees on its axis when it passed thru Saturns orbit. Also on one of Saturns moons it fractured some of Saturns moons and the surface definitely shows the huge cracks. You can see the evidence of it today.

    6. Nibiru is now approaching Mars, and I strongly suggest to all of you to monitor Mars very closely because recent indications does show Mars is now being perturbed by Nibirus powerful magnetic field. What happend to Saturn and what happens to Mars will give all of us some food for thought when we encounter Nibiru on October 27th, 2012. known as the date of infamy. This will last for minimum of 7 days until the Sun comes back into view to fight Nibiru to save us.

    7. The only way to see Nibiru is via Infared imaging. We have finally decided to let you see this danger now and not wait any longer. Please tune in to Nibiru Facts of Truth.

    8. I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU READ THE MATERIAL, for your own sake. It contains pictures, the evidence, all the calculations and estimations and a vivid description of how powerful Nibiru really is and what is in store for us.

    9. Do expect a major crust displacement event on Earth worldwide, do expect a sudden rise of ocean water, do expect the animals and many things relying on our magnetic field to go haywire, and do expect many will die during this 7 day period. Extinction is a possibility here. The earth remember is only a peanut compared to Jupiter or to Nibiru or to the Sun even to Saturn!!!!!! Right now we don’t know if our Moon will survive this encounter. It might get stripped away from us.

    10. If we survive this encounter, Nibiru is heading on a collision course with Jupiter and it will hit it HEAD ON. Not a solid to solid hit, but Nibirus core will get dangerously close to Jupiter itself. Jupiter will enter the inner magnetic field of Nibiru which is the strongest part and it will cause a horrific damage to Jupiter as it tries to escape from its grip. As to Jupiters moons it may or may not survive this encounter and it might get stripped away or be destroyed by Nibiru.

    11. At this point then we will know of its eccentric orbit and can calculate it of when it may or may not make its return back to our solar system.

    12. The evidence we give to you is what NASA and many other high ranking individuals and the powers that be do not want you to see or to know about until the last minute. We have decided to inform you NOW, rather than wait until they decide to let you know. NASA has known about this object for quite some time since 1984 and have been tracking it and even lost some probes trying to find out what or where it is. Thank you NASA for your insensitivity of not being concerned about the people on this planet but only concerned of yourselves and the powers that be that give you your paychecks. I hope you suffer your greatest fate and never to surface back again after all this is over. If you do, you will not get anymore funds to support your cause and efforts of space exploration because you violated the cardinal rule and that is to protect the people on planet earth. Do try to debunk this evidence NASA or to any debunker that see this, and I dare you because we have now provided you all the calculations and data to support it.

    13. As of Lukes projection and my projection of about Humanity, it becomes closer to reality regarding of what the Aliens might do prior to this event. We now understand why they are around, and of their purpose and of what warning they have been trying to tell us for some time from all their displays in the sky, and their designs in the sky. They have been trying to give us this message.

    Have a good day.

    Daveyo

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    • RIGHTO.
      Lets all go have a look-see shall we?
      If I take more than a day or so to respond its cuz Im doing fact checking and getting university friends to help with crunching math.
      Seez you there.
      ~ VARAKIENEN.

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    • Daveyo,

      Please do some research on the different between a magnetic field and a gravitational field. Everywhere you mentioned the magnetic field should be replaced by gravitational field (except number 9).

      The perturbation of orbits is due to the gravity of the aforementioned celestial bodies. Even though the Neutron Star has a huge magnetic field, the gravitational field was have a far greater impact of the movement of the celestial bodies within the solar system.

      I highly doubt number 2 to be correct. The average mass of a neutron star (“dead” or “alive”) is 1.35-2 solar masses (Solar Mass = Mass of the Sun). It would be less massive than Nibiru (which I highly doubt) and would have already caused massive perturbations (far greater than Nibiru) within our system.

      If 5 is true and Saturn flipped 90 degrees on it’s axis, it should be similar to Uranus and the ring system should become vertical! If this is true, I would like some evidence that suggests this!

      If 3 is correct and Nibiru is 8AU behind Elenin, which is between the Earth (1AU from the sun) and Mars (1.5AU), then Nibiru should be between 9AU and 9.5AU. Thus, because Jupiter is 5.2AU and Saturn is 9.5AU, there is no way 6 is correct. Nibiru could not be approaching Mars yet as it hasn’t even passed Jupiter’s orbit. This is, of course, assuming your “calculations” are correct.

      You would sound so much more convincing if your facts were more logical. I want to believe you, but I can’t believe a word you say when you have so many KNOWN errors in your statements!

      Regardless, these are some interesting claims, and I will certainly keep my eyes peeled!

      ~Nate

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  225. Wow Daveyo that’s a bold claim!

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  226. Samuel a.k.a. Caveman

    I have finally read this entire post/comments from the beginning and it took me 2-3 days of on/off readings, I am glad that it seems everyone has pretty much agreed (with minor debates thru out) that these things are gonna happen but too what degree we don’t know… I am no expert and just started to read up on all of this stuff in the last month or so.

    All of those posting either has interest or very good knowledge of what they are talking about even tho they tend to disagree on minor stuff, tossing religion aside I believe something big is coming our way and all we can do is watch ,wait,and hope. I was wondering if anyone here has heard or have anymore info on comet 45P/Honda ? it is suppose to fly by pretty close around the 15th of Aug. (0.058 AU) I found a couple sites but not sure how correct they are. One of them talk about the comets honda and Elenin and the other talks about Elenin and Niribu. Any additional info from all posting here is welcomed and feel free to correct me on anything I may have misposted. Peace to all and hope we survive if it does happen to tell our grandkids . :)

    http://www.elenin.org/

    http://www.greatdreams.com/comets/comet-elanin.html

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  227. Nate

    Tell that to the experts who figured out everything as its their data and not mine. I merely passed on this information now and not later. I don’t think you will win your argument against them because they have all the information and evidence. You will be up against a group of experts in their respective fields who have crossed checked all their data, and I am sure they know what they are talking about regarding their article, unless its a typo error etc.

    Daveyo

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    • I would LOVE to speak with the experts. How may I get in touch with them? Perhaps I’m not questioning the experts as much as I am questioning your incorrect interpretation of their data.

      No expert would speak of magnetic fields when they mean to talk about gravitational fields. If they do, then I would like their expert opinion on why. My college physics professors are also experts in their fields.

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  228. Nate

    If you go to Nibiru Facts of Truth, look for the link and notice the author. Inside that link you will see 92 pages to read. Now there are names of the experts in those pages, and you free to contact them if you can locate them. They are the ones who figured out everything and crossed checked everything.

    In regards to about gravity Nate, no one has been able to really explain how or where gravity comes from or how such is created or produced. OK. Those in physics have been debating this subject for years and still have not come to an agreement or conclusion because its one very elusive answer.

    Here is my theory. We are held down by a magnet which is created by the Earths core which in turn creates our magnetic field. Our atmoshere has particles which keeps it around us. If not for the particles the atmosphere will escape to space. So how is the atmosphere held to our planet. Bingo. Magnetism. Gravity plays no role in this at all. The air is a gas state, but in this gaseous state it has particles which keeps it down to us.

    Another I can pose to you is does space itself have gravity??? How come we all float sort of in space if gravity exists and if such exists, we will not float unless it is considered zero G. hehehehehehee, people can toss you many different questions and scenarios. How come the Aliens can defy gravity and zip right out without causing a sonic boom. Obviously air has to be pushed aside, yet they are able to not cause a sonic boom.

    Therefore I have said before Alien physics vs Earth (human physics) is two different beasts. To learn Alien physics it will take years to understand it even though you are an expert in physics in the human sense.

    Daveyo

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    • Dav. I fail to understand why you use the word “Obviously” when refering to alien craft having to push air aside.
      Do you know some thing about thier technology that the rest of us do Not? for all We know thier ships are partly extra dimensional when in flight and thus make no physical contact with the air at all.
      Im thinking that in fact you dont actually understand what causes Sonic booms. Its not actually displaced air lad, its the sound speed barrior. Planes make noise and Lots of it, but sound travels at a specific speed tops. when a plane moves faster than the speed of sound it actually leaves sound moving behind it trying to catch up. this sound does catch up, in a rather large sonic wave, the “BOOM” if you like. If an alien craft makes little to no sound at all, its not going to creat much of a boom. in fact virtually nothing at all.Certainly nothing that will be heard for miles. at any rate. glad I could help. ~ VARAKIENEN.

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  229. wow alot of hate here over these figures, i myself will take all of this with a grain of salt but im also open to the fact that a lot of science fiction has become science fact. I also that you need to take it down a notch Vara, your attacking phasing rather than the actual argument also vara i need to more define what daveyo was trying to explain, he was trying to describe how when aircraft break through the sound barrier they (in most instances) have to break through a wall of water particles in the air, the fact that they seem to reach break neck speed with no such effects trailing them is a curious oddity.

    Luke

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  230. piece of the puzzle

    Did anybody watch the UFO files and Ancient Aliens on History channel last night, was a new episode… Good ones too. Daveyo, they told of Sitchins translations, along with people backing up those claims. You might check it out when it reruns, then you won’t “really” have to read his books, unless you are really interested in truth. Oh, and maybe UFO’s use magnetism to stay aloft and polarize the air around them as they move through it?!?

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  231. Guys in between all these discussion about nibiru, i wish to address one more issue is that about our sun. One direct hit of an X class CME towards earth from this mighty star will be enough to cripple all our communications & just about anything you can think of. I have also heard that there is guarantee in terms of time frame. So just in case if it has to happen these time around ???

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  232. I have also heard that there is NO guarantee in terms of time frame.

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  233. I think they are calling IT by its REAL and PROPER name of ancient, …. the planet of the cross-ing. Look up NIBIRU the meaning. And it’s ancient symbol has from early on into this very day use a “X” to show reverence for it. It our planet of the crossing is upon us. Not DOOM and GLOOM but a renewing of all we know.
    It is her and it will pass and all that’s of GOD will be what last,. It’s OUR GOD returning to HIS earth, that HE left us in CARE of. Much LOVE to all!

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  234. Ohh! is this really true? I have heard and read article on the internet and I am a bit afraid! I Need to best telescope to check that planet which believes to be near to the earth this coming 2012. Very Scary1

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  235. piece of the puzzle

    Music is the weapon of the future… unknown author, but very true.
    Insearch of Truth
    Jeffery L. Craven, aka piece.

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  236. i must say, the whole planetx/niribu/elenin thing – i heard claims which cpooked me so I did some research on what people are saying in forums, blogs, youtube, and article sites. Here is what i think i figured out.

    1. elenin will happen, but its a tiny comet that’ll do nothing. not to be confused with planetx or niribu. Its been observed, and it can’t be mistaken for something greater in size than a big friken planet.

    2. planetx/niribu, i still don’t know if it actually exists, but it probably does. Its just not as dangerous as people say and its such a non-event to astronomers that it maxs out as ‘interesting’.
    So i don’t think we are in any danger, unless all astronomers suddenly went blind or took bribes worth more than there own lives. So much crazy talk. I think planet x and niribu are the same thing from the way people talk about it?

    3. There is a severe lack of evidence in general, and there are severely emotional hyped up drama articles and youtube videos which offer no substance, only fuel to fearful peoples fire. What would otkin say? Duh, its all so unlikely. People have been saying crap of all kinds for years that doesn’t happen. I mean, the evidence FOR this doomsday stuff is bubbles and fluff. Where is a solid argument from respectable people? Where the reports and details? Where are the photos? Where is evidence that isn’t a house of cards? Nowhere.

    For something that is months away, no one is providing and evidence or good reason to believe that we are in for a bumpy ride. So until i see something, im not going to lose any more sleep over it. What a waste of my time. Conspirators, you suck

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  237. Hi Doug

    Today I finally saw Nibiru myself with my own two eyes from an image taken of IRAS in the constellation of Leo. Its quite plain and very obvious.

    Elenin is the lead asteroid to Nibirus arrival. Nibiru is 8 Au back.

    Both are real.

    I hope to post this pic of Nibiru soon.

    Elenin has a magnetic field, Nibiru also has a magnetic field and packed with radiation as well.

    The Governments have instituted preparations for a catastrophic event.

    The Vatican is calling all the Archbishops and Cardinals to Rome in October. The pope is not dead and he is alive so this is extremely very rare.

    Congress is taking a break during this time period known as their recess.

    Saturn tilted.

    Uranus and Neptune orbits were perturbed.

    Mars was perturbed.

    And something happened to the Earth and the Moon recently and many are questioning it as well

    Conspiracy, no we try to tell you. The conspirators are the debunkers and you can bet your sweet peas that the government will not tell you any of this till the last minute.

    However good luck to you.

    Daveyo

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  238. I just can’t wait to see that pic Daveyo…

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  239. yes some photographic evidence may actually get me off the fence on this one, please do post soon as i would like to see what youve got

    Luke

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  240. Daveyo, thanks for your response.

    For something so “plain and obvious”, no one seems to be worried.

    i’m sure plenty of governments have preparations for these kinds of events. That’s not because they know one is coming, its just responsibility.

    Where is the significance of the following statements?:
    • Saturn tilted.
    • Uranus and Neptune orbits were perturbed.
    • Mars was perturbed.

    I think its fair to say that most of conspiracies failed to be true by the test of time and irreconcilable facts. So its very reasonable for anyone to be more than cautious about claims such as yours. I hope you understand. The problem is Daveyo, that you are not presenting any facts. Thats been the problem the whole time you have been arguing. If its not a fact, its hot air. People can indulge themselves at their own risk. And its not fair to expect people to believe you.

    So ill believe it when i see it. Please post the picture, and then we’ll talk. With all due respect, If you don’t post it and give credible details about it including locations, links, authors etc, you will really do your cause a dis-service.

    I listen to the “i didn’t know that” podcast, and this is a question that is talked about by Dr Hugh Ross.

    [audio src="http://c450905.r5.cf2.rackcdn.com/idkt-18.mp3" /]

    He says that its impossible for an object like what is being described to exist considering the advanced and accurate tools that have been developed over the years.

    I know he isn’t the authority all on all things astronomy, but i think it counts for something. just sayin.

    And if you are a Christian, especially an old earth creationist, you might enjoy a lot of these podcasts. Otherwise its probably not your cup of tea

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  241. Hi Doug

    I did present the facts. Why not you take a look at this topic called Nibiru Facts of truth especially right at the beginning.

    Hope to see you there.

    For christs sake, I reiterate no one here in this forum has to provide others for proof. You got fingers right??? then use it. heheheheheheheee.

    Daveyo

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  242. piece of the puzzle

    doug,

    There are several books on the translation of the Sumerian texts, which IF you had done your homework you’d be fimiliar with the closets things we have to the FACTS of Nibiru and ancient knowledge. I suggest you start reading anything you can get your hands on by the late scholar Zecharia Stichin, or even things written by Mr. Eric Von Daniken. Hell, a good place to start would be to watch the Ancient Aliens series on History channel, which can be viewed @ your convienience on the internet. Thank you, and good day.

    Jeff Craven

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  243. thought you might say something like that

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  244. Thanks Jeff ill check it out.

    Daveyo – I hadn’t actually seen that document before. It’s the most compelling evidence I have seen to date. Thankyou for pointing it out, I’m not sure I would have found it to be honest

    I can see the document says planetx is on the same path as elenin, and about a year behind. That’s interesting

    Am i convinced yet? Not sure. I still can’t tell if its a hoax, coverup, embellishment, misinformation or all the above.

    As i read more and more, it forces me to wonder if I am in no position to gauge it having no expertise in the field. I am also wondering what REAL evidence should look like. I’m not going to tear your document apart, what do I know about astronomy?

    I think the only way i’d believe that such an event were really coming, id have to hear it from something or someone particularly legitimate.

    It works like this for most people, the more significant or unbelievable the alleged fact is, the more authority and credibility is required to make it believable. That’s why presidents get away with so much :)

    no offence to anyone posting here, but i’m still on the fence.

    Daveyo, what is the single most credible fact of all that you think should sway unbelievers

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  245. what document doug?

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  246. For daveyo and all I believe now more each day and its more obvious that people are realising, they are watching, looking & actually seeing now.
    This has been known for many years and NASA spent billions to investigate further into the universe and now they admit water is on Mars, they say there sending a rocket to look at Jupiter but still they say there final missions are complete but i wonder what really is thier final mission?

    I checked this out myself today and its fact so try it and what do you think?

    ‘URGENT ELENIN NEWS” The proof that something IS VERY WRONG with comet Elenin (MIRROR)

    Is this reality or is this Google/NASA playing with us?

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  247. Samuel a.k.a. Caveman

    I wanted to drop a line here… it’s 8:30 AM in the states and I have been noticing every morning that the sun seems to be rising more to the northeast than usual, now I may be wrong but it also seems that our weather has been very weird too… while the mid-west is in a severe drought we have been getting alot more rain than we normally do during our summer months and is it me or is the weather men forecasting and broadcasting the temp wrong? we had 6-7 days in a row topping out over 100 degrees F but yet they only said we were in the low to mid 90’s… plus the sun when it’s shining thru the clouds seems to be a little warmer than the norm, I am someone that is use to working outdoors so I guess I notice it more than all of those than likes their Air conditioning.

    As far as the moon it tends to look different angle wise but not 100% sure on that, but I have been living here at the same place since ’90 so I mentioned it to my wife but she just thinks I’m weird (I may be but thats a different story :) ) thought I would drop this observation while I was thinking about it… back to work and peace all !!!

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  248. I have heard the same thing about the possibility of the sun rising at a slightly different angle so i did what first came to me and started paying attention. I work at a golf course so I am up with the sun every single day and to me it rises and sets in the same place day to day. I am not an astronomer or a sky watcher but i do have friends who are “plugged into” that area and they tell me everything is normal from what they have observed. I think they even thought i was silly to bring up such a thought. As for weird weather I think this summer was on par with last summer as far as where I am at. Weathermen make mistakes, forecasts are just educated guesses anyways so I wouldn’t put to much into that. I do know that La Nina was and last I heard will continue to bring dry conditions to my area here but I just plug along.
    I do sense a “change” taking place. Whether that is good or bad is not for me to say. For my part I think change is good, I am not one to believe all the hype on Planet X coming or Elenin being more than a tiny ice ball but that’s just me. What will be will be and there isn’t much anybody down here can do about it. I am along for the ride. In the meantime peace, love and good luck with whatever comes our way.

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  249. piece of the puzzle

    everyone on here should youtube elenin/ nibiru videos, mainly the one taken from the Jet Proplusion Laboritories. Gives dates that have earthquakes lining up with astronomical alignments of Elenin, our Sun, and the earth. I would provide links but I am still working on that and this phone. Good hunting.

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  250. piece of the puzzle

    Name of the video in question is “Elenin Nibiru Planet X What s coming?” When taken along with Nasa family preparednous video, paints an UGLY picture of what’s to come around Sept.- Nov. 2011. Hope evryone finds the videos and answers they are seeking.

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  251. piece of the puzzle

    Also look up 19° elenin nibiru, a 5 part video… made August 13th, 2011.

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    • I believe you are looking for This.
      Here it is in its Entirety.
      From the files of Varakeinen. ;)

      http://www.esotericonline.net/video/19-nibiru-or-elenin-the-quick-awakening-full-movie-mirror

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      • piece of the puzzle

        Would like to say Thank You to Mr. Moon for all his knowledge about the given topics, and also hope to see all of you on the otherside. This is bigger than us, but atleast everyone on here cared enough to share their wisdom. One more thing, youtube has been my biggest source of info even if I had to sift through shit to get it. Learn what you can and prepare for the worst that Revelations has to offer. It IS COMING… Piece/peace out my brothers, Jeff Craven, a lowly ol construction worker stuck in Texas for the duration.

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  252. piece of the puzzle

    Youtube; The Destoryer cometh…behind Elenin

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  253. IN 1961 NIBIRU WAS ON THE FRONT COVER OF SCIENCE MONTHLY. I SAW THE MAGAZINE IN MY DOCTORS OFFICE. THEY KNEW THIS THING WAS COMING A LONG TIME BEFORE 1961 TOO. THE BIBLE CALLS IT THE DESTROYER AND THE SATANIST GOVERNMENT OF OURS HAS BEEN ON THE LOOKOUT FOR IT FOR A LONG TIME. WHEN GOD SAYS IT IS COMING YOU CAN BET YOUR LIFE IT WILL SHOW UP.

    MY GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD. YHWH THE CREATOR.

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  254. God, god , god. That all i hear lately. We already heard Harold Camping’s BS and now we have copies everywhere spewing the same BS today. Stop with the Christian aspect of life. Science replaces god nowadays. YHWH is not the one true god considering the Christian belief is only 2000 years old or less compared to other multiple religions. Stop using GOD as your crutch!

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  255. Now they say WISE has discovered brown dwarf stars with temperatures as cold as humans but they are many light years away? So is the start of slowly admitting there is something similar but close to us now?

    Is this Nibiru?

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  256. if you try googlesky with infrared lens and search mercury,you will see an enormous mass coming ahead .this large mass is moving right every day and i belive its shape is exactly like what ive seen as nibiru.i suggest you check it your selves.

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  257. and the gods made love...

    Thanks for the update, I won’t be using any google product (not on principle – I barely have an internet connection lol). Guess there is scant news lol. Still, no news is good news huh?

    Is the shape spherical? Kinda like a ball? If so then it could be Nibirulabolloxaproxima? Just a hunch?

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  258. I watch the sunrise every day and I have been looking for Nibiru, I have seen nothing other than one sun………..still looking.

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  259. its a large semi ball with a ring around it. so that it looks like a chrysler logo a circle with wings. i may leave a picture of it. its position in the sky is ever changing but its on 9h 48m 7.0s 13 14′ 43.1″ check it out guys,may be you can explain it better.

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  260. only God knows when it ends..

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  261. will world end on 2012 dec 21 due to niburu

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    • There is Nothing, in science or even Prophecy which indicates that the world will…. “QOUTE – END – QUOTE”.
      It may experience cataclysmic events which reduce population and life by over 90%.
      But it will not actually “END”.

      Man I Hate when people use that rediculouse turn of phrase.
      So irrisponsible.
      ~ VARAKIENEN. >:(
      ( Grrr Snert!)

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  262. Hi there, I found your website via Google at the same time as searching for a related subject, your site came up, it seems good. I have bookmarked it in my google bookmarks.

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  263. Based on the above article posted in february2011, there should have been more data on Tyche by late April2011…is there any such data now?

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    • Certainly good piece of material to research and ponder upon.

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    • Very interesting indeed.
      My thing is this…with all of the Mayan prophesies etc…that the 9/11, tsunami’s, major earthquakes happening on the prescribed dates/signs etc…
      That…the issue of Man causing 9/11, and possibly the Japanese Quake/Tsunami, the Haarp weather mod machine, ect…that it is possible that “man” (nwo) is using the zodiac signs etc…to allow many to continue to believe in them by creating the havoc.

      I guess time will tell. :)

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  264. Gen. 6:4 talks about the fallen angels coming to earth, and says also “And also after that.”. The first group of people and Nephilim were all killed by the flood in Noah’s day, and the fallen angels were put into a pit in the earth called Tartarus until judgement day. And also after that new angels fell to earth to mate with women, we don’t know the number or when they fell.

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    • Barbara Land, you are correct. According to the Book of Enoch (which gives testimony to Genesis chapter 6 being true) 200 high ranking angels bound themselves in a pact and agreement that they would take wives for themselves (Gen.). They decended on Mount Hermon and mated with earth women, and taught them the ‘Secrets of Heaven’ which was never meant for mankind to know. They taught them spells,incantaions, the gathering of herbal roots,etc. These secrets became cursed after that and is well know today as ‘witchcraft’. For this unholy union (which bore giants) they were locked up. According to Jude 1:6 “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
      (7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

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  265. if this is nibiru so close and nothing is happenig those it meant that the nay sayer will go in holliday ! ! ! . . .

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  266. You say this is a super-planet that has been in orbit around our Sun since it’s creation, and the orbit of Tyche is 275 times further than pluto, yet you say: “Does this mean it will be visible this year? I’m thinking so. They have no choice but to tell us as it will viewable to everyone w/o a telescope this year.” Clearly that is a logical conclusion…

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  267. survival guide: ……be nice…..say “please & thank you”…and turn off the teevee

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  268. kill em all and let god sort em out

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  269. I think this is false, another internet joke. Why don’t you just call it the “Death Star” ? Ut really doesn’t matter just live your live your life the best you can & be thankful you were able to.

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  270. Hi all
    I just thought I would bring it up that there are two people that go under the name “Believer”. Im one of them…I guess there is a glitch in the Matrix…I will start any posts with (2) in future…

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  271. Christopher Gabehart

    The only reason “aliens” could have an interest in mankind or its survival is for a benefit to them.Slaves,food,or entertainment.Time to re-think your “doctrine”.

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    • You are right as far as “for a benifit to them”. However Slaves, food, or entertainment are likely way down the list.
      Very unlikely “Aliens” are not a single group with a single motive. As all creation is consciousness ,likely there are those conscious entities who will invite humanity into the fold as we mature consciously. I suspect they practice a high level of non-interference. In looking at the technical progress we have made in just the past 50 years, say in the field of computers and “artifical inteligence” , you have to ask your self how far other advanced cultures have gone given say another 1,000 years. This raises an interesting question. If all of creation is created by consciousness (humans posess consciousness) is consciousness something that can be developed by advanced artifical inteligence? If the answer is yes, than it is a good bet most if not all of creation is by now “artifically created”…which raises the question “what are we doing here”…certainly not needed!
      On the otherhand, if the answer is no…artifical inteligence no matter how advanced can not develope a “soul” or “creative consciousness”, than we as young developing humanity, with biological needs and easily decieved, posess the one thing advanced artifical inteligence desires/needs/requires most…a soul…a consciousness capable of doing what they can not…the ability to create and alter creation. While they can not (no longer) create directly, as long as they can manipulate and control those who can, they do as they wish.
      The “harvest” is always a cycle. 2012 is about a harmonic convergence that effects awakening consciousness as our solar system passes through the galactic ecliptic plane every 12,813 years. Every second cycle we cross at parahelion, once every 25,626 years…the harvest of souls…

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    • SO wrong Christopher.
      You are speculating from a closed mind and a rather limited point of view.
      You cannot assume that more advanced and experienced races share your perspective or think like you.
      Do they desire some thing from us? sure, why not? But unlikely to be in an selfish capacity such as taking what they want or need at the expense of another.
      They wouldnt need slaves. they can breed those, or build those that will not fight back or seek freedom.
      They have Unlimited resources by taking what they need from stellar bodies. Minerals, chemicals, water and more. ALL basic elements come from the materials found in stars. With fission any element can be made. We our selves now know how to turn baser metals into gold.
      The only reason that we do Not is that it costs more to make the process hapen than the gold is ultimately worth. I doubt that would be the case for an advanced and experienced star faring species.
      I might concider the entertainment notion, but probably not the way You see entertainment. I doubt the same kinds of things which entertain US entertain them at all, and i Truely doubt that they will use us for any kind of imoral or selfish form of entertainment at our expense.
      When I imagine my Self in thier possition I feel that there is little to nothing that I could desire from such a small planet with some what inferior species on it. If any thing, I might take a maternal aproach to such a young and silly species like us, and teach or nudge them in a better direction over time.

      I love watching movies like battle loss angelis or other alien invasion movies. I laugh my ass off as my friends go… “yerp, thats the way it’wud go down too! yep!”
      hahaha.
      First… Any race which has the capability of mass interstellar travel, would be so far in advancement over us that there would Be no war.
      I seriously doubt we have Any thing to offer that they could want, but sure, lets just say that they Did and were willing to selfishly take it.
      We would never SEE the face of the enemy or be given a target to strike back at.
      We would be facing multiple contagions that target Humans only and No other species. We would be hit with nanites which do things to us from the inside. We would be hit with specialised global radiations which scramble our neuro systems so that we go blind, cant move in a coordinated manor, or cant think coherent thouhts.
      Or, other specialsed things that we cannot even begin to imagine.
      And it would be done to use from another dimension, or across the solar system or who knows. But Any thing but direct contact and risk to them selves where they do not have to.
      Wouldnt YOU?

      If there is a Doctrine that needs re-thinking Christopher, I think it is more likely Yours.
      I fully expect our Own shadow governments to be behind any False flag alien invasions. Not real aliens.
      ~ VARAKIENEN.

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      • I think the best alien invasion movie to show the sheer out weighing superiority of an alien force, would be ‘skyline’ watch it if you haven’t, it definitely shows you how insignificant our biggest, shiniest weapons really would be against an advanced race. Also people need to wake up to the prospect that we could be a form of cattle, ive talked to many people that cant even take in the prospect that we may have been a seed colony for some aliens food source, i mean 6.75 billion people makes alot of protein….

        Luke

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      • It is not your protien they want. It is your soul. They want what you have that they do not, or more accurately, that they no longer have. We are but children in the scheme of things, regardless of how we got here. What we posess is consciousness, consciousness that is a creative force. Those that do not, for what ever reason, would steel this from you by deception and illusion, controling your mind and perception to manipulate your consciousness to do their will. We are living durring the time of harvest…ripe for the picking…

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      • Waveform, what the Heck makes you think that other sentient beings in the universe do Not have souls?
        Thats about the most Bizzar notion I have ever come across.

        I will head your return question of “what makes me think they DO have souls,” off right now, and suggest that any creature capable of free will Likely has a soul.
        I suspect they have morals and a conscience as well, which further suggests a soul.
        (This evidence from encounters of the 3rd and fourth kind, and witness testimonies)

        yes luke, I have seen skyline. That notion of technology is a little more up to speed than was battle loss angelis, how ever, a race capable of such technological hieghts would as I have suggested earlier, know Better than to come in person in an attack, and instead use weapons or abilities of ranged and mass crippling or detriment to do most of the work, with out ever giving us a valid target.
        These movies are Man made conceptions of war fare based on our own rather limited abilities to conduct war in our history.
        Even now as our own tchnology progress’s we our selves creat ways of stepping away from war directly, and use creations of war fare than can deter enemies at long range with out endangering our selves. Such as ICBM missles, drones, Bio-warfare, Haarrp, and more.
        It can only be expected that a FAR more advanced and experienced race would have even better means of doing the same.

        Protien can be grown in large vats, we do it our selves here on earth.
        Yeast, yogart bacteria and more. Take it to extreem advanced levels and you dont need the complications of harvesting it from a race that may attempt to resist. There is nothing on this planet or which was used in the creation of this planet that cannot be found out there in gass giants stars nebula’s etc. Again, Any race capable of inter stellar travel will have the means to mine and harvest what they need and want from stellar bodies and converting it into what is desired, in Far greater quantities than This little mud ball can provide.
        Stop thinking like Humans with little limited imaginations and start thinking BIGGER picture.
        In such a society it is less likely that stealing or greed becomes an issue, when resources need not be limited or controled by a tiny few.
        ~VARAKIENEN.

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      • Had you of read my previous post you would know I was not making reference to any sentient beings. The comment was in regards to “artifical intelligence” …a path we follow now as well. I suspect, and hope, most advanced beings would wish us the best and be accepting, assuming we mature a bit as a species.
        As to “artifical intelligence”, I would love to hear your thoughts as well as others. At the rate we are progressing, where will computer AI be in say 100 years?…very fast no doubt…able to learn and problem solve no doubt…will AI develope a “soul” or “creative consciousness”…???
        Is it safe to assume other advanced races have addressed this issue before us?

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      • Yes vara i agree that the possibility of us ever even having the chance to pick up our guns is very slim, but you are actually closing your ideas to them being warlike creatures or even tribal (much like in predator) these things could use us like a game reserve, after all we always think we are the top of the food chain. I think independence day had it on the money though, giant ships covered in shield (mini ships with shields too) come down blow everything to the ground, then when the smoke clears they come in and harvest the lot, of course for the movie to have been literal we would have lost, not beaten them with a 90’s laptop that probably had a processor speed comparable with a pocket calculator. The idea of the space locust is not so far fetched as im sure there are some planets where insects became the dominant species.

        Also waveform, harvesting souls? the soul is a concept repeated throughout all religions and civilizations, it most commonly describes an invisible energy present in all living creatures that continues living long after the human/animal husk has decayed. Ghosts, Spirits; these are supposed remnants of souls, or souls not at peace, pure energy we cannot touch yet we can perceive it at times. I believe that everything in the universe would have belief in a energy force like this, so its ridiculous to think they would come here to harvest ours as im sure their own planet has enough of its own.

        Luke

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        Luke, I made no reference to “ghosts, spirits or remnants of souls or the un-dead”…the kids at the door must have distracted you. I did use the term “harvest of souls”…an ancient phrase…refering to the the capture and or possesion and control of ones “consciousness” by another entity. Again, the question had to do with the nature of consciousness and specificly if it is a trait that can be aquired by “artifical intelligence”. If yes, than I proposed the possibility that since other races being thousands of years advanced of us, their technology and “artifical intelligence”as well, it would likely have overtaken them…and if “conscious” and consciousness is the creative force…than we are very likely living in an artifically created world.
        If on the other hand the answer is no…artifical intelligence DOES NOT reach a point where it attains consciousness/spirit/soul…what ever you chose to call the creative force, than we may be close to understanding what we have that is of value to them. If I can not create but you can…but I am smart enough to control your mind, beliefs, perception of reality…maybe even get you to worship me…than can I not get you to creat what I can not?…Just a thought,..and a question. I would like to hear what others think…any thoughts?

        PS Nate, regarding Mayan calendar. I believe my comment was that it is NOT a coincidence that 25,626 yrs is the procession of the equinox. Nor is it a coincidence that one full solar cycle above to below and back to its starting place relitive to the galactic eliptic plane is also 25,626 yrs! Both are effects of the same “harmonic” cause. We pass through the ecliptic plane every half cycle, 12,813 yrs. The difference being due to the spirialing true motion of the solar system, this passage thru the plane we will also be at our closest point to the galactic center, next (and last) half cycle we were/will be at the furthest point from galactic center. I leave you to speculate as to the significance of this re “end of world”, “assention”, “DNA up grade”…I will tell you the the amplitude of adjcent frequencies, not the frequency, is what changes and we experience.
        Good Hunting

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      • ahhhhh now your making your thoughts clear waveform, when you mention ‘consciousness’ in respect to the CONTROL of ones ‘soul’, what you have said makes a lot more sense. Now don’t underestimate humanity, we too have delved into the elements of controlling others, the Russians had their Psi ops divisions during the cold war (and id bet that was some WW2 German tech, courtesy of the captured scientists). the idea behind Psi ops however was to see through anothers eyes and have some form of control or ‘persausion’ over decisions made, of course none of this is historically authenticated, but im pretty sure a project like this would still be going on in some underground laboratory.

        I do think however that we are just in baby steps stage with our own research and there probably are races out there that are born with the ability to manipulate other creatures/humanoids through thought alone. It is a scary concept, to think that we could be the puppet of some other creature, it the puppeteer, placing us in whatever scenery it so chooses, forcing our actions or even just convincing us to do something through manipulation, creating figments of your imagination, monsters from your dreams, driving you to the point of insanity, to when you cant differentiate between the world it has created in your head and the real world you live in….. as i said, frightening concept.

        Luke

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      • Governments use psi-pots today more than ever, as do the media, advertisers, religons…the war has always been for your mind…
        It has been said that the question and the answer are but opposit sides of the same coin…if you haven’t found the answer you are looking for, maybe you haven’t asked the right question…
        …as to fear, it is always of the unknown…quite to the point…as long as any one or any thing is driving you anywhere there will be an element of the unknown…the alternative is to wake up and take the wheel…

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  272. The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it. – Ayn Rand

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  273. All good questions. Lets accept that there is a large additional planet. The question is what is the nature of its orbit? If it is simular to that of other planets haveing a relatively stable orbit, it won’t come zinging through the inner solar system. It will have one hell of a long year but it will stay out beyond the ort cloud. None of the planets from mercury to pluto “cross paths” as no closest point to the sun comes near the furthest point for an adjecent planet. To understand the “true orbits” spiral nature I recommend watching an explaination by Nassim Haramein at

    http://www.youtube/watch?v=NH5yK3ZN54&feature=related

    After you have done this, consider that the sun AND solar system is hauling but just under 500,000 mph around the galaxy…also in a spiral ! Each of these motions are not the result of “gravity” (not to say their are not gravitational effects) They are “Harmonic Oscillations”…a galactic symphony of sorts. You are no doubt familliar with the Mayan calendar 25,626 cycle. This is a frequency. It is no coincidence that as the sun spirals around the galaxy it crosses the galactic eliptic every 12,813 years. From S to N (arbatrary for vissualation) at a point furthest from the galactic center, and 12,813 years later, from N to S at a point closest to the galactic center. This N/S crossing is what we go through now…2012. The earth “wobbles” on its axis one full wobble every 25,626 years as well. A coincidence?…or a sympathic vibration “harmonicly”. Now and then you hear of an earthquake increasing the earths wobble…the amplitude increases, the frequency remains the same. Get your head around this and much of the “extrateresterial” questions will be seen in a new light. Most of the conventional scientific theories of gravity, speed of light, big bang, expansion…are all theoretical BS and die a slow death. Our diminsional reality (material manifestation) is a representation of long period harmonics as is true in all higher and lower dimensions. There is some over lap as a result of “sympathic vibration” and “proximity”…interdiminsional proximity being the square of the half cycle of the combined amplitude of the two “connecting” systems. This is why the systems do not “blend” but rather link at connective harmonicly atractive points…like the most positively charged object in the solar system, the sun…and the most negative charged, commets, Tyche… This is also why when objects like Elenin (-) approach the Sun (+), they often seem to expand (coma) with a major discharge of energy…dirty ice balls not able to collect charge being the exception.
    Keep an open mind and Question Everything!…All science is in the end a study of consciousness…I tell you “convential science” has no clue to how this relates to what we go through now…

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  274. So now what?
    More dates to fear? More 5th nights to hide from? More holes to dig?

    (To catch a wave, you need to turn your board and start to swim/paddle as fast as you can…and when you feel your feet/board elevating up the wave, you press down…only to “pop” up and ride it all the way to shore.)

    So now what.

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    • Well..its also a waiting game you know…while life carries on splendid-ly with purpose………………….. till death does us apart.

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  275. Correct you Are Luke, as to my presumption that said aliens will not be of the conquering sort.
    Are they capable of Violence? sure.
    Have they committed violence? the evidence through history and reports say Yes. Have they been around visiting and nudging us for a couple HUNDRED Thousand years? The evidence to that says yes as well.
    So. IF they are the conquering sort, and IF they have mad technology at thier disposal, then why arent we already enslaved and conquered thousands of years ago? Because as a species they have likely aspired to the same notion of peace and growth that we have, but more, have got a lot further on that path.
    They will fight if they Have to, but they will not take away the choice and free will of others. My GUT tells me this, and so does the majority of evidence through out history. That does not mean that there arent races or factions that wont stupe to wrong doings. But I suspect there is a polocy and policing of sorts, and that is why we do not see open and provable actions against us. It is Likely why we see ancient paintings and carvings of alien ships fighting each other in the skies.
    ~ V.

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  276. I agree with Varakienen.

    It’s not just the ancient paintings and carvings that gives us clues but also the battle scars on surrounding planets and moons. It’s all there to see.

    There has been a war out in our solar system and beyond. If we meant nothing we wouldn’t be here.

    Not all things are as they seem. Most of you know this.

    It’s not the right time for disclosure on this subject.
    Some in power wouldn’t hesitate to bring out the big guns. Fear will control them. These big guns will kill a vast majority of our people and also damage the land. Then these cowards in power will point the finger and say it’s all the aliens fault they made us do it!
    How many craft have already been fired upon? Nuclear weapons hurt them and us here on earth.

    As I have said before I fear humans more than our friends out there.

    Stay safe

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  277. Yes Vara i do agree that the ones who have commonly visited our species are an ally in the vastness of space, but i was merely making the point; expect the unexpected and prepare for the worst, hope for the best, in other words id rather be the 10th guy in the line to shake the aliens hand than the first, that way if got some cannon fodder to cover my ass if sh*t hit the fan haha. But seriously I am a firm believer that they are a neutral of peaceful race (there’s a big difference), but i do believe that they have held wars on our planet and above it also, there are many tales through greek mythology of the gods fighting in the sky on their chariots, and Zeus casting lighting bolts into the heavens (space). Its all in our history yet were too stupid to even bother looking into it other than to go *posh accent* “ohhhh that’s a wonderful vase, it would look good in my study, on the mantle piece next to the lions head…”

    Luke

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    • earlier comment of mine regarding peaceful aliens:

      “The reason that they have no hostile intent is clear in their presentation….

      if destruction was in their nature they would remain hidden until the oppurtune moment and then start on the destruction of us all. its very simple guerilla tactics… But, alas, we know theyre here, their bright craft make no attempts to hide from us and their global shows never have any agressive tendancies. These guys are obviously peaceful and of a much higher intellegence (theyd have to be because theres bugger all down here haha). ”

      Luke

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    • Q:…how firm are you in your belief that they are either war like, neutral, or friendly allies???…

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      • Heres the points i consider when making my assumptions
        From history:
        – they came to us, didn’t enslave the human race, and were treated as deities/divine beings from the heavens (which we now know as the sky/space). they taught us construction methods that are still in use today involving equilibrium and whole values of Pi, and aided us with their own tools that relied on mathematical equations that we are only beginning to understand in our day and age, They helped us create monuments that have withstood the test of time with little decay and even earthquake proofed most of the ancient monoliths (the pyramids at Giza’s internal chambers wall are perfectly flattened and at right angles to withing 1/50th of an inch, this is more accurate than we can achieve with modern machining of carbon based working steels, ill try to get some figures from my old text books for comparison)
        – there are however examples of them unleashing their fury upon humanity, as with Sodom and Gomorrah, now although it is conjecture as to whether they existed or serve primarily as another bible metaphor, there are other examples in Greek mythology and Indian history (Virmana tech) of flying chariots/machines spitting fire at one another and the ground, whether this is a sign of interstellar war on our planet or just a show of power by them to make sure they know who is boss, we may not know for a long time.

        From present:
        – as stated above, they have displayed no hostile intent as of yet, its almost as if they are just surveying us, checking progress like a petri dish growing bacteria cultures.
        – along the lines as above, if they were planning hostile action would not the perfect time have been back when we were first dabbling in the ideas of processors and the idea of a personal computer was ludicrous?
        – finally, if they have a hostile intent, we will never even know about it as im sure they would have some so of immobilizing weapon that could practically freeze the planet in time (if they have mastered light speed, control of time is only a small step away) and they could do as they please.

        now to summarize my point, i remain cautiously optimistic and hopeful that they are a neutral or peaceful race, i say neutral because of historical evidence that may show they can be provoked into action against us. But the probability of all out hostility is not high, as most actions they have undertaken are of a benefitial nature to mankind. However as always, its better to prepare for something that never happens than to have sh*t hit the fan and be helpless.

        Luke

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      • …a good farmer prepares the soil and supplies it with nutrients…
        when the time is right he plants the seed…
        …pulls the weeds…wards of locusts
        …waters the crop…
        The taller and healther it grows, the better the harvest…
        and after, the day will come to burn the field…
        to again prepare the soil…
        benevolent ?…hostile..? neutral…???

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      • BTW its good to have another who questions their surroundings and can have a clean debate, on board with the truther team

        Luke

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      • Luke, you are not the only one who remains undecided as to alien intent…the debate rages…likely your are correct on all accounts.
        The difficulty stems from the fact that there are many enties…and no one intent.

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      • Yes it all depends on our origin really, were we seeded? were we the result of experimentation? or are we to believe that our existence is pure evolution from apes? We don’t know, or more likely “WE”, as in us here outside the 1%, don’t know.

        If we could locate our origin, then we would have a defined block to stand on as to making better assumptions on their intent, i agree that the harvest method is one of many that could transpire but it too could happen in many ways.

        I once played a game back in early 2000’s that got me really interested in a possible alien invasion method, the game is called ‘PREY’, it involved a spaceship the size of the moon entering near earth orbit and then launching collection craft picking up people to be harvested and used a fuel for their ship and crew, I found it quite funny how there were read out screen showing images of human weapons being used to try and shot them down on earth (the B2 bomber was one of them) and the little tab underneath the analysis, minimal threat…. anyway the game ends up that there’s a resistance of humans from many other seed colonies onboard, the ones that escaped before being turned into soup, you help them try to take the ship from the inside after they set you free yadda yadda, humans win etc…. now this concept i thought was wicked for a game, and also for an invasion theory (i noted ties to nibiru in it with the planet sized space ship) its worth a look if you’ve never heard of it before

        Luke

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      • Luke, I will chk out game. If you have not done so, when you have time check out Lloyd Pye vid, “every thing you know is wrong”…he has an update done this year as well…
        After, I will share a couple of things not in the vid…
        Journey Well

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  278. One vision, dream what ever you want to call it has been bothering me for some time. It’s not just a once off thing it keeps coming back.

    I’m looking at our planet and I mainly see the northern hemisphere. It’s got a lot of thick white cloud. The suns rays are hitting earth on my left.
    It’s absolutely beautiful. I can’t hear anything and I can only look in one direction.
    I see a dark shadow start to cross the earth, coming in from my right. This object is making the cloud move rather quickly to my left. I realize that the land mass is wrong. The placement is wrong. South America shouldn’t be so far north. I see parts of ocean and land burning. Earth is starting to be hit by hail of rock.

    I am not saying this will happen. it’s just something I see time and time again. It’s these things that make me want to learn more about our world and why things are happening. I don’t want to scare anyone. I am just looking for answers.

    Stay safe

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    • Reoccurant dreams are usually a signal not to be ignored, although do not take their images literally, most of the time dreams are a metaphor represented by our mind in a visual manner that we can understand, like dreams of drowning and breathlessness can be metaphors for being overwhelmed “drowning” in stress etc. next time you have this dream try to figure what each element means in it, if your attention is drawn to certain areas those are what your mind is trying to make you focus upon. Some people can pick up on vibrations of a psychic nature at times when their senses are in tune with others and they can all pick up mixed messages leading them to the same conclusion, it can also be a sign of having a 6th sense perception of the world. im sorry to be babbling on a bit, but my family has a long history of this 6th sense ability, me an my sister included, now we have never played it up or anything like some people do, but there are times when we have very vivid deja vu moments
      (i had one a few weeks ago, 1 year ago i had a dream, i was walking through the supermarket holding a can of bug spray and said “what about this one?” to my partner, she replied “as long as our paying for it” and laughed, but the thing was i never had seen this shop before but was walking through it as if i had been in it before, so anyway a few weeks ago it happened and when it did my brain stalled for a second like it was saying “ive seen this whole scene before!?” very odd indeed and this is only one of a many) and can sometimes have dream/visions, my sister says that she can actually see/feel residual energy fields at times, sort of like a heat left behind by people after they’ve been in a room. Now bear in mind shes an accountant and im a mechanical design engineer and my mums an electrician/builder, so we aren’t a family that focuses on this stuff we dont do tarot cards, we dont do crystal balls or look up ways to better our abilities blah blah, it just seems to happen at random points of time. I could also go into some creepy ghost stories that would send a chill up your spine but ill leave that up to anybody interested to hear about it, as im getting abit off this topic

      Luke

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      • Thanks Luke. Babble on all you like.

        People always assume that you have these dreams/visions when you are asleep. I don’t. I can be driving my car and bang there’s another one. I can be at work or even in the middle of talking to someone. Some of what i see seems to go on for awhile but when I get back to where I am supposed to be it’s like only a few seconds has passed or no time at all.
        It’s these things i see that bought me here to this site.
        Only those closest to me know about this and of course now here on this site.

        I have had these dreams/ visions since my visitation. The ones I met are not hostile. They do not want to take your soul or eat you. I must admit though I Shat my pants when it first happened! I would like nothing more than for all of you to meet them. See the things I see. Some of what I see I don’t understand or just doesn’t make sense to me and that’s why i ask stupid questions at times.
        A lot of what i see I don’t want to ever happen.

        Yes I am afraid for our future. I am afraid of those in power and what they are capable of. The NWO scares shit out of me.
        Climatic change scares me also as so many are not prepared for it. Lives are already being lost.

        It’s vital that we know the truth.

        Stay safe

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      • Stupid questions are the ones you don’t ask.
        Most conventional wisdom would file your experiences away as delusional and likely suggest meds. 50 years ago I was put on meds as a child for just such reasons. 40 years ago as a result of unusual memories reveiled in a hypno session, I became involved in past life regression. I don’t know you and won’t attempt to diagnos or inject meaning to your experience.
        For me, I have discovered there are no coincidences and nothing random or with o