The Aldebaran Mystery – Nazi UFO Secrets

During Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, did a daring group of Nazi scholars and technicians learn the secrets of anti-gravity and space travel from extraterrestrials? If true, these conclusions may shock and amaze you. Get the facts about UFO Secrets of World War II – The 3rd Reich and beyond, in a way that will change the way we stare up at the stars for years to come.

ALDEBARAN

The second planet around the star Aldebaran is inhabited and they call it Planet Two.

There is a warmer climate on this planet than on Earth with an average of 22 degrees Celsius. The axial variation, the slope of the equator relative to the orbital plane of the planet is 5 – so that different seasons can be experienced. There are several cities and space ports on the planet, even under water.

The planet, 68 light years from Earth, is inhabited by people who have emigrated from the Vega system. From this system are also people emigrated to the Pleiades. The inhabitants look like earthly people, but there is less variation in appearance. With an average height of 1.90 meters, they are much longer than Earth humans.

On the planet is no war or suffering. The residents live for 80 percent in harmony with the cosmic laws and principles. The Ashtar Command has two main bases on this planet. They are both under water. Throughout history there have been several expeditions to Earth.

The German Vril-Gesellshaft received through telepathic information from inhabitants of this planet.

The main medium of the Vril-Gesellshaft, Sigrun, was incarnated from Aldebaran. Other important ‘Vril-Ladies’ between 1922 and 1945 were Mary, Traute, Gudrun and Heike.

In early March of 1945, the Thule society received a letter, signed by Maria Orsich, making reference to the trip to Aldebaran. It seems some of the Vril group had already made the trip and had decided to stay. The letter ends with, “neimand bleibt hier” — no one has remained here. But did they really go to another planet?

A map of the planet with her name in characters.

Many people now believe that Aldebaran was a red herring. The real destination was the Utopia that was being established in the Antarctic — New Swabiland. This was the raison d’etre for the racial purity and breeding programs. This is where the 100+ submarines that Allies counted “missing” were sent, along with countless cargo ships.

During the occupation of Germany, at the beginning of 1945, Americans discovered photographs of the Haunebu II and the Vril I crafts as well as of the Andromeda device — the 300 foot cigar shaped craft — in the secret archives of the SS. But their most precious find were two prominent scientists, Viktor Schauberger and Wernher von Braun, who were ushered into the US under the now unclassified Project Paperclip.

After Operation Paperclip, members of the Vril-Gesellshaft got high positions, among others at NASA.

It’s no wonder that a certain American air and space developer is reported to have confessed before he died, “If the public ever learns that we have had this technology all these years, they will never forgive us for keeping it secret.”

Source and author: viewzone * niburu *  (youtube)

30 responses to “The Aldebaran Mystery – Nazi UFO Secrets

  1. Well, there you have it. This “technology” is tied to the occult (demons) and is not from friendly allies from outer space. Our “benefactors” may be in Antarctica right now, but judging by what happened in Germany in the 3rd Reich, America is next in line for a Holocaust or two, not a Utopia. Be careful who you take gifts from! Remember the Trojan Horse?

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    • Dear Virginia, I appreciate your concern and to error on the side of caution is wise. The “Occult” is but secret knowledge, in itself neither good or evil any more than a battery is positive or negative. Dear one, we are they. The knowledge has been kept from you, by you…for safe keeping if you will…until you awaken…at which time you will remember even those things carved in stone…crumbs sprinkled that you may find your way back home. Who is it you see when you look in the mirror?…and what is it you see when you write the word “live” and hold it before you as you look in the mirror? So many times I have written these words…”light is to dark as love is to fear”…do you understand?
      Chuck, if your point is that the article is poorly written, point well taken,…if it is that you cannot see beyond the cage of your own mental creation, point taken as well.
      Martin, you are quick, to cast aspersions…yet the advice you give is sound…you would do well to heed it. I am not here to defend Vara as he is more than capable in this regard. In a sense you both are correct regarding “proof”…proof is a thing of beauty, and as well seems to reside in the eye of the beholder. Each shall require his, or her, own measure, and as such shall be responsible for their own time of awakening.
      As to the crux of the story I will tell you this…As is always true, the degree of truth is effected as much by the accuracy of the information presented as by the information missing. How different your perception had the story been presented as a development by the Nazi’s of the work of Tesla? There is as much truth in this. Much knowledge was attained by study of ancient occult teachings…yet, without the work of Tesla no functioning device would have been built even to this day…so which story is true? Are you aware that more than 20 years before the “Veil” or the “Thule Society” Tesla had reported that he had made contact with beings from Aldebaran star system…not by psychic means but by a form of, for lack of better terms, “Radio” producing faster than light “longitudinal” (non-hertzian) waveforms.
      Another point. The craft referenced in this story are as different from the “Bell” as a fish is from the water it swims in. “Die Glocke” developed in the area of Wenceslas, was much more classified and in ways more closely related to what would come to be known as the “chronovisor” than to any craft. There have been some assumptions published regarding the mechanism(s) of each that are less than accurate, particularly as relates to Die Glocke and a “mercury like” device. There was no mercury in the bell time travel device. The Nazi’s used mercury as ballast in u-boats as well as for anti-grav effects in Haunebu craft, but it was not the drive mechanism. Neither was it the drive mechanism in the ancient “Vimanas”.
      Journey Well Dear Ones,

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  2. Virginia, that is Not what was said at all.
    Just because they helped provide some advancements does Not make them resoponsible for how those advancements were used or whose hands they ultimately fell into.
    Sure, there are potentially malicious aliens out there, but what happened here is not proof that the Aldeborans were that.

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  3. oh………my………gosh. Has this site become the land of the loonies. And why do all the women look like Vogue models? To increase the number of gullible male believers. It’s amazing how much can be derived from so little. And Dr. Sui, please forgive my french, but what the hell are you babbling about? Birds, animals, etc. I will never go to the zoo again. Does anyone here have some sort of coherent philosophy and not some rambling lunacy? And how do you live “for 80 percent” with whoevers laws and whatevers cosmic principles? People ramble on and throw in some esoteric terminology and that is supposed to pass for intelligence? I’m not trying to be mean, but please, who could ever take such silliness as a revelation of truth. I would rather read the rantings of a reincarnated(not that i believe in that) Crusader than such nonsense. At least i would have a point of reference to offer a counter-argument. But when everything means anything, and totally contradictory statements are supposed to equal truth, then how will anyone take that seriously? Most of these “theories” have floated around for decades and are constantly recycled or updated depending on the latest Ufo sighting or govt. conspiracy scare. Yes, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but can someone please offer a coherent argument or at least an iota of actual corporal proof. This site can offer so much more and I regret that the little real and good gets overwhelmed by the make-believe and nonsense. C’mon people, there is real poop headed our way. Floating around with our heads in clouds of cosmic thought or unreal ideas only serves to obfuscate the credible news. Feel free to babble, just don’t be offended when someone treats your posts with a bit of skepticism or refutation. Yea, I’m sure the govt. knows stuff they haven’t told us, and the occult connection of the Reich is pretty well established, but talking about refugees from Aldebaran or Vegas(weren’t they cars?) as though that is as much an established fact as is where the stock market closed yesterday is ridiculous. It is much more beneficial to be able to sink ones intellectual teeth into something credible than to have to flail ones way through clouds of fairy tale. This post is meant not as a condemnation but as a plea. Time is short for us all, and we need real, credible information in order to prepare. Help me.

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    • Chuck, your first post is a breath of fresh air. Often people use skepticism as a veil to be rude and too lift themselves up as the surperior intellect of the universe. As to the subject of the site…If (interdimensional) travel is possible, then these things are probably true. Now rethink potential methods of travel. If one believes that greys/draconians/reptiloids are fallen angels in manufactured bodies and people can become possessed by them…then one may also believe that travel could be accomplished from a mind to mind standpoint. I believe these techniques are also used to convince one that they have time traveled or remote viewed. Basically, the ones in the know likely know less than we do.

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  4. Hi Varakienen and Chuck,

    If you do some homework on this you may ideed see that I am right. The founders of the NAZI party were romantic esoterics and heavily into the occult. Rudolph Hess was Adolph’s astrologer. Their beleif in a new world order, a new perfect race, and the use of new “alien” technology was largely based on channeled information. It just depends on who you think the sources of the channelled information are and what their agenda is, whether or not you think they are involved in what happened. The NAZI leaders, for example, did not get information that told them to stop, and no Pleiadeans stepped in to halt the holocaust. The Allies stpped in with “old tech” and then ran off with the atom bomb. The results have not been very promising. I happen to believe — through research and my own experience – that these “sources” are not who they say they are, and they not as benevolent as they say they are. Certainly it depends on the hands into which potent technology falls, but if the sources are able to influence the actions of the recipients of such technology, then my case has some validity: the influence has not been good. Do your homework.

    I admit, Ronald Reagsn also superstitious and was dependent on his astrologer; so yes, it does depend perhaps on the good or bad “soul” of the receiver to some extent, depending on what you thought of Ronald Reagan, of course.

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    • Hi Virginia.
      I love that You suggested I should do My research on the Vril. lol.
      Ive never even met a person on line that has done More research on this subject matter than I. And I still havnt it seems.

      The cultures whom provided information to the vril do not interfere in choice and free will. They believe that mistakes and karma bring growth and learning and are quite willing to let us make those mistakes as a culture, even at high prices. this in No way means they have a negative agenda or are eveil, or demons and so forth. It simply means that they are teachers and are patient enough not to interfere directly in our free will and choices.
      That being said, there is in My researches, No actual evidence of Aliens providing Vrill with weaponised technologies or specificly destructive oriented designs and devices. They technologies they were willing to empart had to do with three things. Communication, transportation and free energy.
      These technologies were ultimately perverted by the 3rd riech, and not btw, the Vrill them “selves”whom Never became directly involved with germanies crimes.
      The Vril whom though were involved with the Occult were not negative in spirit or orientation. They were philisophical, spiritual, and sought lore of history and ancient cultures and alien knowlege.
      I think you have a likely stereo typical view point of what modern culture deems occult to be, and as a former Wiccan my self, I can tell you that Most aspects have little or nothing at all to do with demons, devil worship, and the overly miss-used phrase, “Black Magic”.
      In fact there are stories that the Vril them selves sought to help enlighten the germans with these insights and knowleges in hopes to steer them away from destructive paths. By the way, which was the Hope of the ETs they were in supposed contact with.
      Unfortunately, Most of the stories we hear is a product of bad hostorical referencing and negative propoganda to make the germans and thus the vril Bad by association, and thus too, any thing to do with the occult. Part of the stereo type run amuck. But of course, there are figures whom are behind the media and the translation and manipulation of percieved historical events which WANT you to shy away from notions of occult being a potentially good thing. They absolutely do Not want spiritual growth out side of the pre-established boundries of what THEY tell you to believe in.
      Church, strict religeous doctrine, god Fearing euphamisms, and how these things control your thoughts and actions. Free thinking is dangerouse to these people and thier tools to remain in control of us become threatened when we find growth and knowlege by means they do not intend for us.

      There is Very little of the Vril that I do Not know about, inside and out side the established propoganda surrrounding them. Right down to what people call the bell shaped ship which was actually more acorn shaped with its special markings , the place it was lauched, ie dissapeared from. and some decades later the very same described ship supposedly found in the woods of north america, same shape dimensions, same marings and all.
      Only to be hauled away under pale tarps in front of an entire town, its shape dispite the covering still unmistakable.
      I wont go into any more details about that as it may or may Not be the same craft the vril had supposedly used for interstellar and interdimensional travel. it simply cannot be confirmed. But, I will be happy to help you out perhaps, should you have any other questions about the vril that you may be unsure of or misslead by.
      Be well.
      ~ Varakienen. 😉

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  5. Forgive me, I wrote that last at 7 am moring after having no sleep. I was quite tired and thus my spelling and grammer have suffered even More than usual.

    Chuck. if youve nothing Possative or constructive to add, please dont bother at all. Thanx.

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  6. Hey guys, although I rarely post, I really enjoy reading all your thoughts on the various stories on this site. I even think disagreement, when posted in a positive way is very healthy and expands the mind on all possibilities. I have had a fascination of the Anti Gravity Bell and Project Rainbow for longer than I care to admit.
    Some things are purely science fiction, and some scienc fact. What riles me is why these government do not use some of these free resources for the good of man, instead of his destruction. An unlimited amount of free energy for all is right on the table but wont be released. I guess they have to keep the war machines well greased. I am guessing Tesla and Einstein, if they are still looking down must be really pissed. Their research has been manipulated and abused for so long.
    Anyway, thanks for the insight on all of your post. I have enjoyed them all for the most part. God bless and be safe.

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  7. I couldn’t agree more with Virginia.

    VARAKIENEN has not one shred of evidence to back one, single claim he makes. Not one. You’re delusional my friend. My advice is to be more open to new thinking and possible advice. You just might learn something in that closed mind of yours.

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    • Alass Martin, You are right. Proof simply Does not exist.
      It also doesnt exist for the fact that aliens exist at all or that we have been visited by them for thousands of years.
      On the other hand, You have No proof what so ever to back your materials either.
      What I have instead, is studied documents, interviews, documentries and photo’s. Many in foriegn languages which needed translation during my researches. Many of those, that YOU and most others have no doubt seen were translated either poorly, or in a distorted fashion so as to support a counter out look for propoganda purposes Utterly.
      Unfortunately, None of them either way constitutes actual proof.
      But then, You probably think that the sky is blue and that Money IE: Cash currency actually exists too, simply because you see it every day. This doesnt make it so how ever, as both are illusions and subject to personal perception and point of reference.
      How ever, when one build a greater and greater arsonal of evidence to expand thier point of reference, one can pierce the viel of illusion and begin to see beyond.
      You my friend are far from doing that yet because you have Not done the work. When you catch up, we can have this discussion again. But be careful, I may Ask for proof from YOU which is in fact impossible to provide. lol.
      Now, off to school with you little one. Im off to read.😉
      ~ VARAKIENEN.

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  8. PS: The “bell” was actually a Soviet satellite that came down the same day. Do your research. Yes you may say that it came down hours before…I’ve heard it before.

    Think about: A satellite reenters Earth and is similar in shape to a “ufo” that crashed at approximately the same time. My God, how much more proof do you need that they are one and the same?

    Time to move on from Kecksburg.

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  9. Oops, can you remove that? I made a mistake, it should read:

    I think y’all are truly completely missing the point of this video. The voice over narration sums it up at about 34:51
    “These secrets were gobbled up by allied intelligence and given a security clearance above top secret”

    Conclusion*: “The Rockefeller Foundation paid $139,000.00 in 1946
    to commission the publishing of an official History of World War II,
    that deleted any and all references to the mystical and occult interests of the Third Reich. One of the Rockefeller Foundations greatest contributors was, Standard Oil…”

    & he then augments this with the final knock out blow about the USAF Top Secret Nuclear Powered Flying Triangles, saying of them:

    “… as a final post script the mystery of the TR-3B and the Astra TR-3B, allegedly one of the latest high tech stealth flying machines Engineered by the United States Defense Department & rumoured to be presently operational, is the Astra this astounding craft is delta shaped and comes in two sizes one 300 feet long & another 600 feet long. The Astra is capable of vertical lift and all of the other radical moves typically associated with UFOs. It’s propulsion: “Magnetic Field Disruptor”, lI.E. anti-gravity] created by spinning MERCURY PLASMA at 50,000 rpms. Pressurized to 250,000 psi. This reduces the craft’ gravitational mass by 89%. Multi-mode impulse rockets at each corner of the delta configuration supply the remaining 11% propulsion… could this plane be the modern step child of the Haunebu III? Thus the Aldebaran Mystery comes full circle… for according to ancient Sanskrit texts, the name “Astra”, refers to a terrible airborne weapon…”
    another source I found says, “At Groom Lake their have been whispered rumors of a new element that acts as a catalyst to the plasma.
Recently NASA and the Russians have admitted breakthroughs in technology that would use a plasma shield for exotic aerospace vehicles. If you know anything about the history of classified black programs, you know that by the time NASA starts researching something, it’s either proven or old technology. They are the poor step children when it comes to research and development technology and funding…”

    So, I personally believe that what the CIA is telling you by letting videos like this exist, is that the Rockeffeler’s & criminal bankers & Wall Streeters (like Soros, et al), are the ones who are hijacking humanities future, and they are asking for our support in calling these people out and prosecuting them and their puppets, i.e. the Bushes, Clintons, & Obama meat puppets they use, who perpetrate such crimes against humanity as 911, and their resulting wars. These people are truly evil. J.P. Morgan took control of much of the financial world when he had the leading industrialists, what was the one tenth of one percent of the age, murdered when he sank the Titanic. The Pentagon and CIA are currently trying to keep these scum bags from engineering World War III. They have left Neutrino Bombs in Iran and told them to use them against Israel, but the Iranians said “your crazy”, and left them on the border and asked Obama to pick them up, but he refused. Can anyone doubt that he is one of them? I voted for him but “Yes we can” has turned into “Yes the criminal bankers can, and WE will bail them out and bankrupt the United States…” He has perpetrated massive financial fraud at their behest, and our expense. But their days are numbered. Benjamin Fullford reported that there is a lawsuit currently underway that will bring these people and their corrupt international institutions like the United Nations down, once and for all. But we have to stand behind the CIA. I know that goes against the grain for a lot of us who are sick of being lied to, but think about it. It ONLY STANDS TO REASON that there would be REAL PATRIOTS in the CIA. My family knows many people who considered joining, who are great humanitarians, and good and decent human beings, who would never do anything to hurt our Constitution nor the defenceless in the world. Further, though China has publicly said it would back Iran in any showdown with the United States, you wont hear about that in their propaganda controlled United States Network Media, just like none of them have ever questioned the obvious farce of an inside terrorist job as 911. Currently, Obama is having GW Bush Senior outlaw factions of the CIA run Al Queada elements inside Iran, and they are going around bombing military installations and trying to create a war with Israel. Our Fleet Flag Admirals have stopped many a false flag operation by the Cheney/Clinton/Obama/Bush gangsters, trying to put us in the middle of one of their phoney wars of Armageddon. These people are truly sociopaths. Who could watch the video of Hillary Clinton giggling then laughing hysterically at the assassination of Qaddafi and doubt it (regardless of what a piece of dog-shit he was, it is still absolutely sickening the way she reacted, and she is our Secretary of Defense? These people MUST BE STOPPED. We have to stand together and bring these people down and put them away for good. I’ve had a lot of people denounce me as anti American for espousing such things on YouTube pages dedicated to uncovering the 911 conspiracy. They say things like “Goddamn you, how DARE YOU! Real Americans know Cheney is a HERO and the victims are roiling in their graves to hear you talk like this!” Really? If you care so much about the victims how bout we have a government where Obama DOESNT say things like “Dont ask about whether 911 was an inside job” (pretty bizarre statement, wouldn’t you think?), but where the government ISNT AFRAID OF THE TRUTH AND DOESNT RULE BY SECRECY. Only in a future world, where the United States doesn’t sit on Zero Point energy patents in the interest of National Security, and where we don’t act like a colonial empire, which we fought a Revolution against, and have a Federal Bank that isn’t privately owned and creating money out of our citizens debt and then LENDING IT to our government at OUTRAGEOUS interest rates, where we have a truly Holographic form of government based on a meritocracy, and live in a world that is resource based, instead of one in which resources are literally burned or allowed to rot to profit the richest one tenth of one percent, only in such a world that is EVERY HUMAN BEINGS WORLD, can we all, as Americans, and citizens of the World, be truly free.

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    • Matt Von.
      You are about 98% correct on most all your ascertions here.
      The Only flaw I can detect is your statement that the CIA and the Pentagon are attempting to thwart the plan of the Iluminatti powers behind the scenes.
      Unfortunately, the pentagon and the CIA at its highest levels are in on it and part of the problem.
      What you May have meant to say is that there are certain factions, groups of resistance within both organisations which have had enough and are attempting to thwart the powers that be subversively.
      There are actually resistance cells at work gathering information and planning little surgical strikes to slow or foil these plans.
      Saddly, the resistance is severly hampered by a fundimental need for secrecy, as they would be branded traitors and literally dissapear or be excecuted, friends, contacts, families and all.
      They cannot noticably drain from the budgets at hand with out drawing attention, and thier movements have to remain untracable.
      I my self have only heard rumors of these things, and would have nothing to tell authorities that they didnt already have better knowlege of, should they show up on my door.
      At this point it is a losing battle how ever.
      the larger plans in motion are backed by military, secret police, secret science, psychics perverted to work towards the wrong ends and trillions of dollars. The plan has been in motion for the better part of the century and is a giant rolling snow ball now.
      But you have obviously done some home work here, and I cannot fault the majority of your statements for the most part.
      Well, said.
      ~ V.

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      • This last and final phase has been in motion for 254 years.
        There is descent with-in the higherarchy as we aproach the conclusion. The wealthiest few of “pure” blood lines who have long been the puppet masters are being challanged by both the elete intel community as well as the elete military community…and all three even as they struggle for power between themselves watch the clock ticking as the masses awaken to the truth.

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    • Matt, All good points. Is it not interesting that regardless of the subject here on this site, it always comes back to this?
      It was Morgan and the Rockefellers and the ROTHSCHILDS who distroyed Teslas reputation at the time of development of Wardencliff (free energy for the world). Teslas death was but days after the fifth, final, and most failed of the “Philidelpha Experiments” that he refused to be part of…and the re-write of history in ’46 removed one man and his accomplishments from the record.
      Regarding Rockefellers and Standard Oil…then and now…an excelent documentary if you have not seen it is “The Gas Hole”, its on Hulu as well as youtube. Another, more to the point of your post, is a film released last month titled Thrive though at this time I am reluctant to recommend it. Being one of many who freely contributed to the production of the film with the understanding it was to be “released to the public”…the implication being it would be released freely…I am more than a bit distressed it has been released “pay per view” at $5 per viewing by the owner/producer…Mr. Foster Gamble…a non scientist, non inventor, non free energy researcher…but a self proclaimed “true believer in the cause” …and the Heir to the Gamble (of Procter and Gamble) fortune. You can read some of my personal thoughts and requests to him to reconsider on his web site…if he hasn’t continued to take them down as he has attempts to post the film on youtube….and the rich get richer…
      It is worth watching…for free

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    • Nice post Matt. You’re not alone with the whole anti-American label. Is that the worst thing somebody could be? I’d rather be anti-American than a sociopath or a puppet.

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  10. again, vari, it’s a free country. block me if you don’t like me. If you can’t stand contrary thinking, or you just want a site where we all nod knowlngly and smilingly agree with idiocy. I’m not bothered by ignorance, which is the lack of knowledgy, but stupidity, which is the misuse of or incorrect use of knowledge, epecially contrary to it’s often(though not always) clear meaning. People are certainly free to post about birds spying on us, or demons in the wolves, or people having astral plane crashes, or let’s all picture sunshine all over the earth tomorrow. That’s fine. And if i think it is drivel, i will say so. I know there are lot’s of philosophies and theologies out there, but if this is just, well, let’s say, like Art Bells radio show (which i often listen to, by the way) where no matter what is said or however outlandish or contradictory to contemporary science and revelation it is, Are just says “wow”, or “really”. No challenge. No skepticism. No counter-point. I apologize if i wrongly surmised that there were some on this site who wanted to put all of this stuff under the proverbial microscope, put our heads together, sift it through and end up with something educational and beneficial. If, instead, it’s a site where everyone ‘s heads are in the cloulds, and you’re getting pissed off because i’m interrupting your psychedelic dreams, my apologies again. I have challenged things on this site, and have encouraged people to learn how to process information in a logical and orderly manner. I will not change. I will not stop. I will affirm and congratulate a point well made, even if i disagree with it. I respect reasoned argument. When i see a post that is nonsensical, poorly made, or consisting of veggie-mixxer silliness, I will point it out. Sincerety does not equal truth. Those are my terms on being here. If they violate site rules, the Magna Charta, or Star Fleet reg. a21345, section 3, then i guess you can block me. I think i have something to offer. I feel the same way about most of you. I only encourage you to do so, to rise up to the challenge. I think most of us agree on the Big Points, most of which the majority of manking remain in the dark over. If we can conceive of the Truth as our most important objective, and not who gets the most compliments or agreement on a given topic, then we can mend a momentary wound and get on with the real fight, not against each other, but against those who would keep us in bondage and darkness.

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    • @Chuck

      Vara (vari?) cannot block you as Vara is not the owner/admin of this site.
      it seems that Vara cannot post his comment to you, so
      Vara ask me to post it, so here is it:

      From Vara:

      Not sure Who is this “Vari” person you started out with talking to is.
      Is that Meeza? lol
       
      Chuck.
      That was a Lucid, logical, down to earth, reasonable, well thought out and rational statement.
      Its some thing I could have written my self.
       
      I have No problem, thats ZERO problem with you posting your opinions here or even contradicting
      the opinions of others. (or my self)
      I my self Only object when it is done in a manor not particularly respectful,
      (though I have been guilty of that my self) and done in a way that is more insulting than worthy
      of rational and respectful debate.
      If you would Like to denounce the points made by another, go right ahead and feel free to do it.
      But,… Try to provide your reasoning for why the other point may be incorrect and why your point
      may hold water in a polite and inviting manor. Phrases like, and I quote: “oh………my………gosh.
      Has this site become the land of the loonies?” Just dont cut it and invites not so nice retaliations
      where such things shouldnt be nessessary.
      I dont run this site, But I certainly police it on occassion when I see some one being abusive.
      But Hey, I cant throw stones either. Some day get luke to tell you the story of my first
      ever postings on this site and you’ll see that I am human and prone to bias ignorant errorS as well. LOL.
      But I DO try to improve, and I ask no less of others whom I see making my mistakes.
      Just….. Be polite, conciderate, respectful, and pose your debate in a format that opens the floor
      to opinion. Expect oposition, but be patient with it when it comes. Some where between all the debating
      and sorting of facts, a glimmer of the truth will come to light and the viel will be pierced.
      I welcome you or Any one to be a part of that process.
      ~ VARAKIENEN.

      Ron
      Owner site/admin

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    • Astral plane crash? Sounds like what we’re hearing on the news now. Plane vanishes without a trace and no word of passenger’s cell phones gps.

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      • VARAKIENEN

        Sean.
        You are wrong, and wrong again.
        First of all, NO where in the Bible does it say that Occult is Evil. If you are going to quote the Bible, do so accurately, word for word is best.
        Secondly, The occult is a tool, like any other.
        Guns are tools, Dynamite is a tool, a Car is a tool, and so on.
        They can be used for good things, or they can be used for bad things, it is up to the wielder to choose right and wrong, good and evil.
        Blame not the tool. Create no false propaganda or poor ideals about the tool.
        Long ago the bible has been re-written and re-written to suit the minds of those in rule of power of the time. Whole gospels have even been left out.
        Phrases twisted, misinterpretations interpreted wrongly and written in. But all in a manor which suited the agenda of the time.
        The church uses spells to this day, but took them out of the hands of the common folk long ago during the inquisition.
        By these logic’s, the bible is used as a tool to manipulate, influence and control the mass’s as a TOOL.
        By this logic you have called the Bible Evil.

        There is nothing evil about the occult, though there are types of spells designed to do evil, and communicate with evil. Do not lump all of the occult into that. Much of it is a communion with nature and the earth mother. (Not to be called or confused with a god, if you are wise)

        Its best if you Know what you are talking about from all sides before you talk about it. Not just the one side that certain powers that Be Want you thinking and acting from. The side you were raised and conditioned from with out ever asking why. In future, please consider.

        ~VARAKIENEN

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  11. grrr, its not letting me post what I wrote. keeps telling me duplicate response jibber jabber.

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  12. wow, still wont let me post it. wierd.

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  13. oh well, after re-writing it twice, it looks like I still am not able to give a polite and even complimentry response to chuck.
    Ive even rebooted me comp.
    ~V.

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  14. Thanx for the help Ron / Admin.
    I Just wanted to show chuck and any one else, that Im not out to get any one, and can play fair when others do. Chuck deserved a decent and respectful response.
    Be well all.😉
    ~ VARA

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  15. vara, thank you for your response. as a wise man once said, it was well thought out and lucid. I confess my frustrations can get the best of me. I have good days and bad days. I checked out the latest postings (tuesday) and found real good credible stuff, the kind of things I love to read. It is usually the responses that get to me. It is hard to find a site like this, one where the stuff posted is fact filled and informative, stuff you can sink your teeth into. My intent, sometimes poorly delivered, is to encourage others to process everything with a skeptical and questioning mind, and not to overblow every little tidbit into a cosmic event. That’s what the big boys want us to do, that or to ignore pertinent information while getting goggly eyed over nonsense. I desire nothing more than that this site would get the reputation of being THE place to go to find the real truth. Incoherent or “cosmic” ramblings turn me off. They serve no real benefit, other than being a convenient avenue to vent self made philosophies. Again, VARA(lol) I appreciate your response. I will try to do better at policing my comments. I won’t promise that i will always control my sarcasm. And i can take as well as receive. I welcome the interchange. Thanks.

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  16. Waveform, the occult is EVIL-period. Channeling and other occult teachings were prohibited by God as it says in the Bible. The intent was to protect people from being deceived as you are attempting to do. If it was “hidden” and thus kept secret-why was it hidden? Good practices in the light of day whereas evil practices in the shadows. Which it’s why secret societies are the prime practicers of the occult and they have much to hide. The occult/battery analogy=lameness. You’re obviously articulate, so why is your entire post smart sounding garble?

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    • VARAKIENEN

      SEAN .
      My response to this last post of yours, was some how redirected and posted above.
      Look to your last previous post on this page.

      ~ V.

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