UFO Cult believes they will be saved by Alien

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Bugarach:

How crazy can you be!!

An estimated 20,000 New Age believers who say the “upside down” mountain is home to aliens who will rescue them from an impending apocalypse have saturated a small French commune near the foot of the picturesque Pic de Bugarach.

Members of the New Age cult believe aliens hiding inside a mountain in France will save them from the December 21, 2012 Mayan apocalypse.

Throngs of pilgrims have already descended upon a small village in southwest France to hike the Pic de Bugarach, where they say a UFO is buried.

The ship will supposedly ferry them to safety on doomsday, which will occur at the end of this year according to an interpretation of the ancient Mayan calendar.

The mountain is attracting a wide variety of fringe believers. Though it may seem laughable, the situation could quickly become dangerous.

It is estimated that the village of Bugarach’s population will surge from 200 to 100,000 as December 21 nears. The French government is concerned about mass suicides taking place near Pic de Bugarach in advance of the Dec. 21 date and that there have been reports of “strange rituals” taking place there as well.

Coincidence or not, there was an actual UFO sighting a few weeks ago.

UFO Sighting: Pic de Bugarach — March 13, 2012

Witness report: UFO sighting at Pic de Bugarach in France on March 13, 2012. I really don’t believe in Aliens and UFOs, but in my whole life, I have never seen something like this before! On our way to the village of Bugarach, we could see that UFO over the mountain for at least one hour, flying around the peak, appeared and disappeared every few seconds. I don’t thing it was a plane because of its strange flying route and its strong light

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33 responses to “UFO Cult believes they will be saved by Alien

  1. Vlada Enercia Sui Generis

    Either I’m loosing the plot or I need to visit my optometrist and fast,but I cant for the life of me see any UFO over them there hills in the bottom video I’m talking about,its totally blank and all I hear is wind…I think they need to watch this again and then smoke another joint that would be the answer to this sighting,hahahaha..I thought I was loopy but these guys takes the cake for total loopy Ive seen UFO myself but cant see them there..

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  2. I see the UFO its perfectly Photoshopped into the image of Jesus on the cross!!!…… another mystery solved by the mystery gang

    Luke

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  3. What a load of Mainstream media propaganda Bull Crap.
    I would like to see Interviews from random people associated with this group, and I DONT mean interviews conducted by any main stream media persons. I mean Honest unbiased, and not prerehersed or paid for meetings with actors pretending to be members.
    I dont like the word cult being associated with it, and Im pretty sure most of whats being proclaimed about this groups beliefs and action are inaccurate.(cough Fictional cough)
    Yes, Ive been following this since it started, and have yet to see a Valid piece of objective reporting.
    ~ VARAKIENEN

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  4. englishsunset

    Shades of Hale-Bopp.

    The only one’s that will benefit from this are the funeral directors.

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  5. marina pratt

    Can you hear me chuckling here? No, I guess not—The first thing I thought of when I read this just now was…LUNCH—The first thing Vara thought of was ACTORS…So – what I am seeing is ACTORS FOR LUNCH! lAUGH OUT LOUD–> IN UNISON PLEASE!! And us with no flies on the wall to report here what is actually going on there..

    Other words that come to mind are – mind controlled media–religious cult mind control –people who did not see the movie “Independence Day” and let us not forget –ET mind control…>see[“ET The Extraterrestrial”; [movie]

    Some questions come to mind-1] are these folks from the same country? 2]What country? 3]What strange “rituals”–Religious? Pagan? Dancing? Singing? Rock n roll? 4]what kind of clothing are they wearing-?–>it looks bloody cold up there–5]Any Europeans on this site who might have a better view of this? Oh, and I did find a light going from left to right over the top peak…it winked out very quickly but it was there. Go to 0.24 on the feed.–just to the left of the shadow.

    By the way–the suicide fears are very real but they are also an excuse for the police to break this fest up. Any updates on anything would be much appreciated…Sincerely, Marina – 9:52am est–4/1/12-USA

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    • Indeed Marina.
      How does one organise and gather 20,000 people from….. where ever they are from, with out US catching onto it before they even started gathering?
      What web site are they using?
      How did it reach so many so fast?
      Who organised it?
      Was it like Close encounters, where…. people just got a feeling to go to this spot at this time, that they cannot explain? Is THIS devils tower wyoming?

      Im all for that happening, but damnit, I thought for sure “I” would have recieved My invitation Too! lol.

      No really, there must be a trail some where to show how these peoples thoughts on the matter progressed. a Site like this one perhaps?
      But Ive little clue where to start because the mainstream media Doesnt know how to report objectively or Do its job.
      Any one….?
      ~VARAKIENEN

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  6. marina pratt

    Thank you for reminding me the proper name of the movie I was thinking about->CLOSE ENCOUNTERS–a perfect example of GROUP mind control. ET was another matter entirely–

    20,000 PEOPLE don’t just get up in the morning and walk to a mountain village to climb that rocky mountain we see in this picture…this is the best kept secret I have ever seen..Someone has to have some information. Perhaps a French newspaper or TV show? We have google to translate but I must admit, I am really a novice on that–I had to pull my grandaughter in here to help me with Mr. Nobodys posts…

    I am going to contact a french speaker I know who might be able to lead me somewhere–I’ll get back..Love ya–Marina-1:46pm-est – 4/1/12-USA

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  7. If the aliens do come to pick them up, how do they know that if it is not the meat spaceship coming to pick up the produce? Human burgers for the reptilians to eat…yum yum.

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    • COMPLETE WITH FINELY TEXTURED PINK SLIME.
      Just like in American meat products.
      We are to full of toxins and artificial hormones etc.
      Only the young among us would be palatable me thinks.
      thank your governments for the fluoride, chlorine, benzine, insecticide, and 326 other toxins to be found in our every day organic requirements.
      They are put in to keep us docile, short lived, and constantly in need of health services.
      Before 1900 cancer was a one in 3,000 occurrence.
      Now it is less than 1 in 12 in a life time.
      As is the same for a great many other malady’s.

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      • Perhaps those additives and toxins are flavor enhancers for the aliens? Yeah, right, fatten us up and then send out signal to gather at the mountain for pickup…

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  8. By the way, most “good” higher beings have pleaded not to interfere with our development unless necessary; the reasons are many– we have to learn and develop on our own, and also if they do come and walk among us, we would worship them instead of learning and developing to their level. They do not want that.
    So, if they do come and show themselves brazenly, they are most likely hostile– they may want to deceive us and take control of us. There are many prophecies concerning a world ruler at end times, (called the “Antichrist” by some circles)…it is possible that this ruler could appear as a being from space, promising peace and technology, when in reality he mean to enslave us. The elites (usually members of the Illuminati) may have been working with that being for hundreds of years, preparing for his coming by bombarding the population with messages to condition our behavior, and pumping us full of chemicals to turn us into blobs dependent on healthcare and government aid.

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  9. marina pratt

    It looks to me like you nailed it my friend…Only one glitch..a big one actually. Subliminal programing…We don’t have to see them to be affected by them…How? Long story..but we are certainly seeing evidence of it with this event. There are many other events I could point to but oh, the story is so long…none the less, you sure got the basics right. Now do an out of the box adventure and see if you can see what I am eluding to here. Just for fun of course…Sincerly, Marina – 9:42pm-est – 4/2/12-USA

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  10. marina pratt

    @VARA-Yeah, but these folks are primarily French and European..As far as we know at this point anyway…While we have fast food on every corner and –well you know..I have heard the Europeans are real fussy about their food intake..unless they have changed what with the fast food corps being as vast as they are…But ya know..this might be an additive war–as you so well point out. Now that I think about it, maybe that is why they picked the french who drink wine instead of water…hummmmSincerely, Marina
    4/2/12-9:59 pm est-USA

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  11. Ian Williams

    Kool Aid, anyone? What happened to Jesus? So, did He die already? Alien saviors – man, there are some really dumb people on this planet. They belive lies and avoid the Truth, while they look for the way to life, but guess what pumpkins – ALL DIE! Come on guys and guyettes, alien saviors? There’s a Star-man waiting in the skies, he’d like to come and meet us, but he thinks he’d blow our mind – yeah – that is because a close personal encounter with him will blow your mind as his name is Lucifer.

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    • IAN. (strums fingers…. strums them some more while she slows her breathing.) sigh.
      Ian.
      There is an awful lot of evidence on Their side to be found if one looks.
      From Ancient tablets and carvings http://www.alienswerehere.com/AncientAlienEvidence.html
      – to Biblical materials Re-examined.
      We know that they are here. We Know that they will be coming again en-mass.
      We know that to an extent they protect this world, even from its own inhabitants. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1315479/Aliens-interfered-weapons-UFOs-deactivating-nuclear-missiles.html

      There is evidence from testimony of Alien abductee’s under hypnosis telling the same stories with different details, people whom have never heard of or Met each other, and whom dont want any thing to DO with the phenomenon.
      Sure, we all die.
      But there is Just so much evidence that we do not have to die YET.
      In my own studies, Lucifer him self as an Angel, or Annunaki, is a fallen ET.
      But, in those same studies there are several different interpretations of the story of the light Bringers fall.
      Light Bringer, funny name for a bad guy isnt it? Bringers of light tend to be teachers and defenders of Justice. Morning star, dawn star. in many cultures that translates into bringer of hope.
      And guess what…?
      There are truely ancient versions of that which was left out of the bible or twisted, to suggest that Lucifer was a friend to man, freeing him from slavery and educating him. and it was for THIS that he was cast out.
      Which fits right in with us being a tampered with species which was cultivated for slave labor at a time when the Annunaki were desperate for gold and other minerals. Lucifer has many names, some of which would surprise those whom have Only been educated on todays latest version of the bible. if they knew some other facts which had been kept from them every time the bible was re-translated, re-written, thier worlds would collapse in on them, every thing they thought was the truth being inaccurate or an out right lie.
      The stories are conflicting, and grow more so depending on what time period they originate in. Almost as if systematically and strategically the older stories were intentionally being covered up and wiped out by the later story tellers.
      I dont claim to know weather or not this Lucifer is either good or evil intentioned. I cant say weather or not in thousands of years he/she has not grown and learned lessons as ALL intelligent creatures with what we would call a soul are prone to doing.
      I Can say how ever, that My knowledge base is more extensive that yours and most other peoples. And that I refuse to actually draw a conclusion based upon it, where Many Many others draw conclusion from far less.
      Be well IAN. Seek if you dare, and ye shall find. And in your finding, you will find all new questions to explore, and new roads to travel.
      ~ VARAKIENEN.
      – – – – – – – – – – – – –
      No, this is Not a gauntlet thrown down for all religious bible hounds reading this. It is a statement of my own beliefs and fluid in motion ever changing hypothesis based on the data and study i have done, and continue to do. If you want to Actually learn more about the bible, then you have to Stop reading the bible, and start studying its origin, what has been left out of it though they come from the same pages and books as that which has yet remained within its binding.
      You have to compare historical materials from other cultures entirely.
      And thats just a start.😉

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  12. sorry vara, i tried to resist. the way to learn more about the bible is to “stop reading it”? Will we learn more about this site by not coming to it. If you want to believe Lucifer is a good guy, i suggest you try Mormonism.They think he wanted to save everyone and is Jesus’s spirit brother. And please, don’t follow your own advice and do try to read the Bible. You might actually see what it says instead of what someone tells you it said. I believe Ian is trying to warn the gullible among us against believing everything they see or hear. There are hundreds and thousands of fringe groups on earth that believe in a mush of belief systems. They certainly have a right to do so, and though i may disagree with them i don’t judge them. And please, vara, just because the bible has been translated doesn’t make it inaccurate. Sure, errors, man-made errors, can creep into anything. Do you know how many articles, books, etc. we read each day that are translated? It doesn’t mean they are inherently unreliable. And though i am sure religious individuals during the ages have objected or tried to control what is in scripture, as i have said before, we have over 25,000 mss., papyri, uncials, etc. that we can use to track the written history of the bible. Instead of issuing nebulous warnings about the unreliability of the bible, give some evidence of your accusations, and then prepare to offer a counter-argument. You’re certainly free to reject what is in the bible, that is your choice. But the sweeping discrediting statements will not hold water. Try something different, another tact if you will. And please, do yourself a big favor and don’t buy into the lie that Lucifer has your best interests at heart. And why do you continue to assume that your base of knowledge is more extensive that others. Do you know Lucifer? Have you served Him? Did you worship him at one time? Do you know of his power? Have you tapped into it? Have you seen it’s effects? If you can answer in the affirmative to those questions, you and i may have something in common, something we can talk about. If not, good for you. Stay innocent . Stay in the light (did you think Satan would call himself the prince of ‘darkness’ to deceive people?). That was Pauls point, that the dark one would appear as light in order to decieve those looking for the light. That’s why God gave us the written word, something to guide us, something to answer the questions we were even to stupid and blind to ask. If you would rather rely on your, or my, rather limited knowledge and experience, well, God bless you and good luck. When that gives out, pick up the bible again and read it like it has something to say to you. And pray…for your eyes to be opened. If that event never occurs, none of us stand a chance at comprehension. Be safe.

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  13. Im not convinced god gave us any thing, or that God is what we Think it is.
    Same for Ol Lu.
    In Fact, I have more evidence to suggest that Aliens gave us the written word than I have evidence that God did.
    Now, I certainly dont know Every thing. Not about this subject or any other, but i dont limit my self when it comes to learning.
    And I dont lead with assumptions.
    Ive never met Lu, and I see no reason to trust the word of any one else that hasnt met him/her/ it either.
    I certainly believe it exists in some form or other, and No trick will make me believe that it doesnt. But what that form is, its agenda if any, its nature, I wont assume to know. And I consider most whom assume they Do to be fools.
    If you have been around for tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, perhaps even Millions of years…. if You are an intelligent being, a being capable of learning, feeling, imagination, then whats to stop you from changing and growing?
    Lucifer was an Angel supposedly. But we humans are capable of learning from mistakes, growing, and changing our ways. Should we assume that angels cannot? would that not make us better than angels if they cant or wont?
    Should one bitter misunderstood experience taint some one for ALL of eternity? People can get therapy, come to actually understand a traumatic event, learn to accept, deal, overcome, grow, gain wisdom move on, teach others etc. Cannot an angel?
    Did god create angels and set them up for a fall with no recourse to recover or learn from the experience? I dont buy it Chuck.
    But lets be clear.
    Im not saying Lu was evil. and im not saying he was good. And Im certainly Not saying that I know or understand what has become of this individual.
    I am saying that what the bible has been teaching has Holes in it. It practically Teaches a sense of prejudice and intolerance.
    some aspects of it served us well when we were a younger species. But we are nearly ready to reach beyond. that which we held as sacred no longer serves us as it once did. Its near time for us to find our Own answers rather than simply follow that which was written in an out dated era, when we have changed so much that it holds less and less meaning for us every passing day.
    obviously the good book still has some good things to say. some general good guidelines. but its time to question what those are, and which ones fit us as an evolving species any more.
    So Much of that book has been written now to shackle and restrain us. And there was certainly a time when we needed it. Hell, a shit load of people STILL need it and cling to it. thats fine…. for Them. and I do not actually begrudge them that. so long as They do Not assume that whats right in that book for them, should apply to ALL.
    I grew beyond the bible when it was shoved down my throat from age zero to 16. Then I recognized the inconsistencies and hypocrisies in all to much of it. So I started looking beyond what was IN the book.
    I started to ask, where did these writings come from. who wrote them? why should we trust or believe that person? how do we know its accurate? I started studying the History of man, culture, religion, the bible, and that led me to many many other things. It showed me what parts of the bible are consistent and can be found in many other cultures that do Not share the same religion. this told me some of the events were actual and true events. but, it also showed me how much they had been twisted in the telling and retelling. The great flood for instance. It was real.
    But it Dodnt cover the entire world. Many other cultures tell of the great flood.
    I dont assume I know more than Every one chuck. But I can recognize when I have reached a level of knowledge beyond a specific person on a specific subject matter. That parts fairly easy.
    Ive read the bible Chuck. back and forth. Ive read different versions of it. Ive read the translated Torah, the full book of Enoch, Practiced Wicca, delved into Buddhism, and more.
    I have seen beyond the fish bowl that the church would have us remain in. I cannot breath those waters any more. the universe is bigger than that, and the Bible was a bunch of written materials gathered together and edited to help us grow in the fish bowl only.
    But we are aware of other dimensions now. worm hole travel, entire other worlds and galaxies. alternate realities. We are at a point where the fish bowl is merely a boundary but now we can see beyond. And soon we will be trafficking with others whom have found there own way beyond.
    Geeze chuck, I can go on and on. (and Do lol)
    But I will now write a bible from what I have come to know that reaches beyond the bible i was taught. This bible will apply to me and ME alone, and I will share it with others Only if they ask. I will never preach it.
    Because I believe in Faith, Not religion.
    And here’s what Ive learned about That…
    Faith is some thing personal between your self and that Higher universal consciousness, some may refer to as god. It does not require out side sources to instruct you guide you to it.
    Religion is what some one ELSE tells you you should believe. It is organized by others with an agenda. And there are Many others whom will tell you conflicting things to believe in.
    I dont believe in religion, I only believe in Faith. and Mine is particularly strong. I am a Born again ME.
    And I am willing to understand any thing or any Being that cross’s my path, and if They are ready, help Them understand and move forward as well.
    Be they Lucifer, Lilith, Caine, or other. All sentient beings have free will, and the ability to learn grow and move past. I believe there ARE No exceptions. And THAT is part of gods divine wisdom and long term plan.
    Have a good day Chuck.
    PS: I Knew it wouldnt take long for You to bite. wink wink. 😉
    ~ VARAKIENEN, (the Long of wind)

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    • If you read the Bible from the beginning to the end, the being called Lucifer or Satan as we imagine him now, did not exist until after Babylon exile. In Genesis, there is no mention of him, only the snake. Then in the book of Job, he is among the other angels and plays a role in “testing” people. Not until after the Babylon exile did Lucifer as the evil and opposing being came into the Jewish theology. It is very likely that they picked up several concepts of “good vs. evil” from the Persians, who followed a religion called Zoroastrian.
      I have done much research on religion and “near-death experiences”, and they all say the same thing– there is no Satan or any “leader” of evil on the Other Side. God is actually everything, and what we call sin and the evil are a result of free will and the consequences. We all are responsible for our actions and the effect they cause. Just like when you affect something, you get equal and opposing force back. However, that does not rule out that there are many beings out there that we would describe as “evil” and feed off negative energies. Just no prima donna mofo evil thingy that God has to fight all the time.

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  14. marina pratt

    @vara & manpduck—You guys are batting a thousand here..love this!–“A born again ME!” Do I have your permission to use that Vara? and “Just no prima donna mofo evil thingy that God has tofight all the time…” Great imagry Nanoduck..again – is there a copyright on that one? YES!
    Marina-1:30pm-4/6/12-USA – Just got home–be back–

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  15. haha. nice Nano.
    But, the christian and jewish bible DO have a sinister anti god figure which comes in different name shape and form through out the story.
    It was those whom wrote the bible and re-wrote it that chose to later identify these earlier antigod forms, the serpent etc, as Lucifer. So, you are correct in a fashion that the devil was not introduced till later, but theologists maintain that he/it was always there, they just went back and tacked the name on the earlier encounters after the fact. Kind of presumptuous. Its easy to see Why I say the bible could well be a comedy of errors.
    True, certain names that have stuck with us Now werent introduced till later versions and tales.
    Chuck once said….(did you think Satan would call himself the prince of ‘darkness’ to deceive people?)
    I didnt bother to correct him at the time, but in fact, there is No original biblical text that has Satan (which means betrayer btw) calling Him Self the prince of darkness. Or the Prince of Lies for that matter. In fact, Traditionally, the being does Not actually take the time to identify it self. It is We and our re-written documents which make such claims and did the Naming.
    I Knew this would be the perfect thread to toss the ol Bible around.
    Lets keep this respectful and constructive though, yes?
    I wont be insulting nobody if’n dey dont be gettin all insulty toned wid me First! Hyuck Hyuck. 😉
    Chuck? Your turn. :p

    ~V !
    Yes Marina, you can use my shtick.

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  16. Christianity.
    The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live for ever if you symbolically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a Rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Makes perfect sense. 😉

    ….Just cuz’n it twaz funny ;p
    ~ V.

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  17. wow vara, it’s hard enough to answer your questions when they are sensible. When you just make stuff up i don’t know where to begin. You are certainly free to make up your own religion, or belief system . That’ s what most of us do, no matter what we say we believe. And no, nano, the bible makes it quite clear that Adam and Eve, or Elron and Lakeisha, or whoever, did commit the first sin, Satan did. He was around from the beginning. He was once the “cherub” that covered the throne of God. He fell because of pride, because he had been created “perfect in wisdom and beauty”. He figured he had a better plan. So he rebelled. First against God. Then he infiltrated man and led him down. Then God pronounced a savior, from the seed of Eve. Satan thought it was to happen immediately. It wasn’t. The seed referred to Christ. So Satan decided to manipulate mans dna, thus the nephilim, or more accurately, the fallen ones. Eventually every blood line was screwed up, except Noahs. So God preserved he and his immediate family, and destroyed the rest. Not because He was mean. but because Satan and his cohorts (aliens, inter-dimensional beings, whatever) had polluted everyone else. He started over, to insure a pure bloodline. To insure a redeemer. To save a portion of the human race, who like Luciferhad decided they had a better plan. They exercised their free will. And paid the price for it. Vara, my reference to Satan calling himself “prince of darkness” was me being facetious. Geez, does anyone here understand humor or irony. And why, vara, was the world not flooded? Can you go to any continent on earth and NOT find evidence of flooding and cataclysm? Fossils at the top of mountain ranges, the sahara once under water, etc. etc. etc. It wasn’t just a flood, vara, it was a cataclysm. The deep was opened up. Crust upheavals. Earthquakes. Volcanoes. The same crap people here talk about happening in the future. Same old story. New players. And if you have any intellectual honesty at all, instead of slandering the bible, try to actually prove it is unreliable. I guess i could just sit here and say “hey, vara is fallible, and has changed her mind before, or doesn’t believe what she used to believe, so nobody should listen to anything she has to say. She’s unreliable, full of falsehoods, can’t trust her.” But that would be unfair. Can i substantiate any of those charges? Do i have proof, or just personal prejudices, or malices. Please, stop killing the message instead of the messangers. Using human foilibles is proof of nothing, except that mankind is screwed up. It says nothing valid about whatever messages someone or ones has been sending us. I’m glad you have a “born again ME”, vara, whatever that is. If there is a day of reckoning, I hope that alone is sufficient for you. But you and i know that just because we are satisfied with ourselves, nothings changed. I mean, if you and i are God, and we make our own rules, I guess we can rig the game to suit our own purposes. If there is a God, and not one of our own making, and He has His own rules, then you and i complaining or kicking against the goads, or shouting “unfair”, or “i’ve got a better set of rules” will get us exactly what it got Satan…….banishment. It’s irrelevant whether you think it’s right or not. Does a hurricane give a damn if you don’t like the turbulence? If you get ticked and step into a raging torrent, will the flood say “oh excuse, me, chuck, didn’t mean to offend you”. So if you’ve deluded yourself into believing you can “will” your own reality, or by meditating you can alter the multiverses, Godspeed to you. Hell, vara, i can’t even change the weather on my block, much less effect the destiny of others. And nano, that’s exactly what Satan would have you do, either ignore him or be afraid of him. Either way he’s got you beat. Oh yeah, vara, this one is for you.
    Imbicility: the belief, or lack of, that a bunch of atoms, who have no idea where they came from or where they are going, can suddenly, through a religion called “wishful thinking”, determine who they are and what their future will be, by listening to “voices” in their heads, or heartburn in their chest, or that lights in the sky will rescue them, and stalks of grass or wheat reveals a hidden code to the secret of the universe. There are no rules, there is no real objective meaning in life, you is what you am, and ain’t what you’re not. Make it up as you go along, and hope it turns out for the best, in spite of all evidence to the contrary. Imbicility. Be safe

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    • HAHAHAHAHA!

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    • Sorry Chuck, but it was the snake, the smartest of all animals that God made, that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden, not Satan. So we should be killing all the snakes, because they are all evil.

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  18. sorry, Adam and Eve….did NOT commit the first sin.

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  19. Oh hey Chuck.
    Of course there have been Many many cataclysms. Many floods.
    Super volcano’s, asteroid and comet impacts, and so on and so fourth.
    Now, its possible for Gigantic waves from impacts or up upheavals Can reach inland and Quite high. But they cannot actually cover all the land, all at once simultaneously. The ice caps hold a lot of stored water its true. but they dont hold enough to submerge all land mass’s. So no, the earth was not entirely flooded at ANY point in its history. That does not mean that water in some form did not cover it in its entirety, as there have been super ice ages, and snow can stand any where.
    Wanna know how desserts have fish fossils and mountain tops too?
    Thats from continental drift and shift.
    portions of mountain ranges were once Lower than the sea levels. deserts too. But that was Millions of years ago, and the talk of fossils is not what we are after here is it?
    I believe that we were talking of a biblical reference to global flooding and that would likely have happened some 9-14 thousand years ago. Wood can petrify in that time, but fossils can not be made.
    so no, the world was not covered entirely in water. And lots of cultural history can attest to that.
    the rest of your post was hilarious tho. and you think “I” make things up as I go along? hahalol. Ahhh the hypocrisy, I love it.
    And I really love the round about way you called some one an imbecile on the site.
    Its OK I dont mind.
    I round about called some people Fools in Mine. 😉
    keep up the good humor, I love it when you make the already existing Comedy more funny with each post.
    ~ VARAKIENEN.

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  20. ok.
    Its true, I confess.
    I DID start the religious aspect of this post to actually draw Chuck out, as some one had just mentioned to me in private.
    But come on, Chuck and I have been behaving Really well lately, right?
    Dont we deserve a play ground to romp in just a little?
    I mean, we Are keeping this clean for the most part right?
    To be honest, I happen to believe that some of chuck and Mines best work is put out when we are dancing around one another in adversity.
    I mean, I corrected him on sea fossils in the desert, and he dropped a couple of names for Adam and eve that Im not sure Ive heard of, or at least havnt heard of in years and years and may well have forgot.
    I think it can be a healthy exchange so long as we follow the keep it polite, respectful, and constructive, Rule. Ie: keep it clean.
    ….Oh, did i Meantion that I have been off my Meds for a couple weeks now?
    Hahahaha… Marina knows it.
    Oh Marina, I am trying to behave, I really am. But, some times being Naughty is just plain Fun.
    ~ V.
    (End Confession, My RL significant other is giving me SH-!-T as they lean over my shoulder, for poking at the animals with a stick. lol. I may not be allowed to continue. :/

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  21. vara, don’t stay off your meds too long now, lol. No, i wasn’t calling you an imbecile, just playing off your previous posts. You know, if i wanted to call you one i would have. And if anyones got a problem with vara and i jousting as it were, just move on. A good debate is healthy for everyone, and as vara said, i think the two of us are keeping it rather civil. As to your fossil reference, yes, crust shifts could account for some of it. I have noticed, however, that many people who argue against the global flood seem to assume that the heights of mountains have been rather steady over time, thus , the mountains are too high for the water to have covered them.
    Well, what if they haven’t always been that high. What if, at some time in the past, mountain ranges were much lower, and it was the “great cataclysym”, as i call it, that resulted in the uplifting of said land masses? The water wouldn’t have had to have been nearly as high. Wonder why so many different civilizations developed their own “world-wide” flood stories. Sure, the details may vary, but most agree on the degree, the devestation, and few if any survivors, None of these details are very relevant if the flood were only local. And whether it was God or Nephilim warning the inhabitants, would’nt it have been simpler to say “hey, noah, i need you move a couple of hundred miles” instead of “i need you to spend 120 years building a survival craft”. As to the date of the flood, don’t have a clue. 5,000 or 50,000, don’t know. And the flood may have been partially caused by an impact event. We’ve certainly had those. And yes, depending on circumstances, fossils can quickly form, by their nature, they must, or there would be nothing left to fossilize. As to dating methods, all of them are built on assumptions, and none of them give dependable, consistent readings. More and more specialists are “coming out” as it were and admitting that when it comes to dating things or events, the “inconvenient” dates are discarded and the “right” ones are reported. Then again, what do we expect from the ptb? Be kind to the animals, vara, they are our friends (and they might be aliens:).

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  22. marina pratt

    Chuck- you and Vara cannot imagain the joy it brings me as I read your jousting…For me it is family over the kitchen table. Intelligence and wit ride the same horse..male on male jousting is often very productive because of the challenge of one ups manship, each testing the other with new information. I must add to that, the respect all you guys on this comment line have shown me as a very verbose, nosey and opinionated woman, is more appreciated than I know how to describe. I see that there are more women posting here. This is good. It gives balance.

    So – LET THE GAMES COMMENCE! I am going to go finish my deviled egg project as a memorial to that horned guy with the pointed tail everyone keeps bashing, and on Easter too–May we all rise on waves of cayone pepper…

    Bye -Sincerely and Nameste – Marina 7:41pm -est – 4/7/12 – USA

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  23. happy easter, marina. be safe and joyful. and the same to the rest of you. hoping you have great health and much joy. blessings

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